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Sue
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Yikes, bokgrasul..
I have to disagree with you on this..
Please read the part in the table with the exclamation marks on this page
http://www.fluffies.org/pelletshow.htm
Sending a parrot to bed with an empty crop is very very dangerous!!!
I have to admit, I did this, but I praise myself lucky everything went ok.
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Greg Sujecki
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Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 1650
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But you have to be patiente! First ,
as said by bokgrasul..yes you have to be patient in everything in life when it comes to a parrot from an egg.. to a hatchling... to growing up.. to training... and in my 30 plus years experiance! l would not or have tried starving a bird to achieve results..Sometimes we need to seek professional advice through asking others like breeders or searching the web for instance,patience and time with your parrot is so important in bonding, for you and the bird.A parrot owner should make the time to spend with it's bird and have the patience to deal with the ups and downs of a parrot, for as masters of these birds we shouldn't over do it with extremes of not feeding them for attention.I by no means flaming  just know there are other ways? than not feeding your bird,something l would
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advise people to do, always feed your parrot and train it..not feeding your bird is not training it is what l call
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bokgrasul
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It is so easy for you to say that is not right to not feed your pet. But put yourself in our place: not having an response of afection from our parrot, feeding him every day , watching your pictures and videos with your calm and playful parrots, and than returning to our screamers .......God! It is so frustrating! And everything that with get , is the same answer : PATIENCE!
Where can I buy some patience?
I feed my parrot other night (before we all got to bed), but after only ONE day of not-feeding , he ate from my hand!! He didn't sleep with an completely empty stomach! But somehow I have to teach him that I mean no harm to him. In only one day I andvanced more than in a month........
What about that? Is it worthy? A day of starvation ?
PS - Anyway ..... I will put today a lot of food in his bowls..... You made me worry... I don't want him to get sick....
PSS - In the wild parrots are eating
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day ? Every single day of the year? Even when there are heavy storms or something? I guess one day or two of not feeding, can't be wrong.... Does it?  |
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Friday October 28, 2005 10:25 pm |
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Greg Sujecki
Experienced flier
Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 1650
Location: Australia,Melbourne |
Pateince can be studied through reading books with ideas like yoga or meditation.All birds find ways of eating every day stormy or sunny,if a storm last's all day so they can't feed for some reason, they just chew on branches or leaves they are on for some form of nutrition,Cockatoos even dig up soil in the ground in vast open spaces with little food in the wild just to have something...anyway that's just my view and l don't expect everybody to follow it's up to the individual Just in my opinion people with little experiance or knowledge with birds asking for help(Pinkprincess) shouldn't start with not feeding them, they should start other methods for there are many to choose..take care  |
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Saturday October 29, 2005 1:32 am |
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pinkprincess
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Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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Location: WILTON sALISBURY |
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Thank you for all your information, i don't think i like the idea of starving my honey bunny. Even though he is still growling at me i can pick him up now without him biting me but he is still growls the whole time i am holding him. I can stroke his beak and tickle his head (he still growls) and he will not bite this means a great deal to me  i just wish the growling would stop.
I also worry about the fact that he seams to grind his beak like humans grind their teeth what does this mean?
I also can't get him to eat anything apart from parrot mix i have tried fruit and veg but he is not interested no matter how small i cut it up.
I love this site i learn something new everytime i browse
Many thanks again for your help
Nicky
P.S Finding it very hard to find a vet to clip his wings and nails |
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Saturday October 29, 2005 2:15 pm |
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Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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I can understand it can be frustrating at times.. Eating a little in the morning won't be harmful, but really.. Two days without food isn't recommended. Rather try a real treat.. Like nuts. Or perhaps even a frie.. (Without salt and not tons of it!)
I bet a whole lot of parrots do die in the wild from other things.. I will ask my avian vet next time I see him.. |
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Saturday October 29, 2005 4:23 pm |
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Cheeta
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Oh my goodness... bokgrasul... I can totally understand why you would be so frustrated when your parrot won't come to you and will scream loudly. I know what it's like. My current birds aren't the only ones I've had in my life. I've had many many other parrots, and quite a few that would not come to me no matter how hard I try, so keep in mind that I DO know what it's like to have a parrot that doesn't trust you.
Keep in mind that these birds are wild animals.. They are not domesticated like the dogs and the cats that we have as more common pets. Their wild instincts still lives within them. You bird need to learn to trust you, not learn to be afraid of you. The bird did not come to eat off your hand because it trusted you, but because it is so hungry that it'll eat off anything!!
Yes Patience, it is a word that a lot of us would say is a major part of owning a bird of any sort. And yes I agree with them totally on that... Where can you buy patience then you asked....Patience can't be bought... it is within you, and you know it. find it and use it.
You may have a bird that will come to eat from your hand now because you kept it from it's food, and starved it a bit, but you'll never have a bird that will truely trust you. The pics that you spoke off from our homepages and diary pages of parrots that are calmed and trusting... we EARNED those trust, We showed our birds that we can be trusted and that we are part of the flock! it took us a lot of time and patience as well, you can't say that that isn't the case, as I'm sure everyone would agree with me to some extent that that is the case for most of us (there are always exception to the rule!).
Ok after all that, what is done is done, you can't change that. I truely hope that your bird will bond with you and build a trust with you. |
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Parfie
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Joined: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 387
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PinkPrincess,
That grinding you hear is your bird relaxing and being comfortable around you. They generally do this at night.
The growling might be a 'learned behavior'? Because if you are now able to hold, and scitch and touch the beak, those are pretty big steps you have made in a very short time.
Ignore the growling, and try to get him/her interested in other noises.. microwave buttons or music or something.. I think it will diminish greatly once the bird is 'learning' different noises.
Grats on your new closeness to your FID. Keep up the great work!! |
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Sunday October 30, 2005 12:49 am |
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fionam
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Joined: 29 Mar 2005
Posts: 1757
Location: Surrey, UK |
Hi Nicky,
Please please do not starve your bird.... Why should they trust you at all if you starve them at all!!!
I saw some where that you could not find a Avian Vet - I had a look on a
website for my parrot mag that I buy and they have a list of avian vets in England - the website is www.parrotmag.com
It looks as if there is one in Salisbury and one in Swindon in Wilts...
Hope this helps
Regards
Fi
p.s. Welcome to the forum and a pleasure to have you here - hope you will learn to love it as much as I do... |
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Sunday October 30, 2005 4:42 pm |
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pinkprincess
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Joined: 18 Aug 2005
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Location: WILTON sALISBURY |
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Thank you thats a great site, I am going to call Some of them tomorrow.
You are all so great here thany you for your warm welcome.
Nicky.xx |
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Monday October 31, 2005 3:07 pm |
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Herbertk
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Joined: 07 Nov 2005
Posts: 11
Location: South Africa |
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Hi Guys,
I have a Grey called funny enough Fluffy.
I have read up a bit, I am quite lucky because my Fluffy is tame and only 3 months old so I can stroke her head etc.. already.
I read an article wich says you can weigh the birds food lets say it etas 10 grams a day then put 8 grams in its bowl. The remaining 2 grams you feed by hand at night but DO NOT starve the bird as it will In my opionion get a dislike in you.
Also give it treadts rather than normal food by hand and do not put these treats in the cage, it will soon learn that when you feed it it will be treats.
Hope it helps.. |
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Monday November 7, 2005 9:39 am |
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Greg Sujecki
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Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 1650
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welcome Herbertk and good thinking , for l also did only give Mylo treats outside the cage which worked well  how often l forget the simple things in life are often the best. |
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