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eatbayray
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Posts: 220
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first of all what is a hybrid and what is wrong with them.
Ive read not to breed or buy hybrids |
Monday September 12, 2005 12:39 pm |
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Cheeta
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Location: Australia |
Hybrids are a cross between two different species (of any sort really as long as they are compatible.) The hybrids do not occur naturally on a common basis, sure it does happen, but it isn't that common.
Hybrid obviously aren't true in their breed, and over time, if eveyone starts to breed hybrids, the pure breed bloodline will over time diminished therefore leaving the future generations with only hybrid animals. Once an animals has been cross with another species, you could never get the pure gene back from that paticular animal. Beside the fact that most hybrids birds are sterile anyway. |
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Monday September 12, 2005 1:33 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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Hi Bih, I've heard that two kinds of rosellas combined have the same colors as the adelaide. I don't remember which rosellas..
A natural hybrid? (Also a classified species if I'm correct) |
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Monday September 12, 2005 6:52 pm |
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eatbayray
Fledgeling
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Posts: 220
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thanks cheeta i didnt think that it was because they would out run the pures. |
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Monday September 12, 2005 10:04 pm |
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shells picasso
Flier
Joined: 29 May 2005
Posts: 900
Location: Sydney |
As an example Picasso is a hybrid between a galah and a sulfur crested, hybrids can have health problems and their make up is not as well known to vets as the pure breeds, also as Cheeta said they can dillute the gene pool so the future of the breeds as pure is compromised, don't get me wrong I love my Picasso but he was the last in a line of an accidental pairing up of the two birds, his life span was not expected to be as long and he is sterile so the risk of passing on the mix is not there, unlike dogs who are breed to bring out the strengths in the two breeds and create a stronger animal with birds crossing them tends to make them weaker. |
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Tuesday September 13, 2005 12:07 am |
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Cheeta
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quote:
Originally posted by Fluffy Sue
Hi Bih, I've heard that two kinds of rosellas combined have the same colors as the adelaide. I don't remember which rosellas..
A natural hybrid? (Also a classified species if I'm correct)
I'm not sure which ones either, but I have heard of rosellas hybrid as well. I think there are some exception to the rule of being sterile, and some aviculturist do breed the hybrid... not cockatoos though of course... Not sure which type of parrots. I do know that they breed canary with finches(??) to get the different colours in canaries, and I think that's accepted widely within the aviculture. |
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Tuesday September 13, 2005 12:30 pm |
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Greg Sujecki
Experienced flier
Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 1650
Location: Australia,Melbourne |
Another word for Hybrid's is Mule's in the bird world.For hybrid's typically are not able to breed like Mule's  Rosella's are very common when it come's to breeding hybrid's in Australia there are so many species of them.. all compatible but different colourings.
White-cheeked Rosella's
are the natural hybrid's in this case where they can breed,three specie's to my knowledge:Eastern Rosella/Pale-headed Rosella/Northern Rosella... Then come's the Western Rosella( W.A.) Crimson Rosella(Vic),Green Rosella(Tas)are other Rosella species that are capable of breeding but unlikely to be fertile parrots,then you never know? :)As far as buying them  , if you like the colours go for it(don't believe the myth's about there health etc  ) |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 10:48 am |
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Fluffy Sue
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Do they breed canaries with finches? I really didn't know! Where did you read that? |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 11:13 am |
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Greg Sujecki
Experienced flier
Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 1650
Location: Australia,Melbourne |
Canaries with Greenfinches/Goldfinches l have breed in the past, many years ago.. they are called Mules.Sterile as they are, they make a fantastic whistle..then l didn't even own a camera..he..he sorry.I was about 15 years of age I do have photo's of Greenfinches and Goldfinches in the wild though,if you like Sue l can make a dairy page to show you . |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 11:18 am |
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Fluffy Sue
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Thanks for your answer on this Greg, I had no idea! Too bad you couldn't record the whistle then..
Why is it so different?
Please do make a diary page to show the green and gold finches.. I'm pretty curious. Didn't know about them in the wild? |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 11:47 am |
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Greg Sujecki
Experienced flier
Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 1650
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There whistles are a lot deeper and longer,also travel alot more distance,so to speak.Dairy page l'm on it |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 12:14 pm |
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Greg Sujecki
Experienced flier
Joined: 21 Mar 2005
Posts: 1650
Location: Australia,Melbourne |
Dairy page of a few Finch(Gold/Green)done,quality of photo's are poor for that was many years ago..he..he |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 12:40 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Greg, those birds are so beautiful!
WHen I showed these photos here, I heard 'putter'.. (In Dutch)
Quality is fine with me Greg.. But I suppose if you compare it to your other photos.. It isn't!
Thanks! |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 3:24 pm |
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Cheeta
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 7952
Location: Australia |
those are great pics of the finches Greg... I don't think i've ever seen them in the wild though... |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 3:29 pm |
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Vis_Vitalis
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Joined: 02 Sep 2005
Posts: 164
Location: Greece |
Greg, do you mean my red rosella is a hybrid? I didn't know...  Wouldn't they be fertile enough with an other red? Had I better get a red instead of anything else? |
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Thursday September 15, 2005 9:05 pm |
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