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Vexilen
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| An Interesting Diagnosis... |
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So last night, Alberto was getting ready to go to bed, and he turned towards me and half his chest was wet.
I, being me, freaked out. We watched him for a few minutes and noticed that he was getting saliva everywhere. So I called the emergency 24 hour vet and brought Berto down there.
The vet examined him and didn't find anything wrong. She said he could be regurgitating. But I don't know a reason for that since he was in his cage and not near me. She suggested we bring him to the specialized avian vet that was also in her building (but didn't go 24 hours like she did)
I'm going to schedule Berto an appointment, but I was wondering if anyone had this happen to their tiel? My mom and I have sort of theorized that if he was regurgitating he could be going through Birdy Puberty and having his hormones freak out. Is this possible?
Thanks for your help!
-Sara |
Thursday September 21, 2006 2:19 pm |
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Sue
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Yikes, I can understand you had a bit of a scare. I have had this with Iago two times: One time I gave him too much banana. (I'm ashamed!) The other time he was really ill. He had some sort of infection which was easily treatable.
How is Alberto? Is he behaving differently? |
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Thursday September 21, 2006 4:14 pm |
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Jrmno1
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Joined: 28 Aug 2005
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| Re: An Interesting Diagnosis... |
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Originally posted by Fluffy Sue
Yikes, I can understand you had a bit of a scare. I have had this with Iago two times: One time I gave him too much banana. (I'm ashamed!) The other time he was really ill. He had some sort of infection which was easily treatable.
How is Alberto? Is he behaving differently?
I agree with Sue, you need to get to an Avain Vet.
However our new Grey (Cody) regurgitates on almost all his toys he likes. This is a first for us as well, but his health is good and he has been doing this since we got him.
So your Teil may just be getting carried away.
John & Carrie |
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Thursday September 21, 2006 4:41 pm |
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Cathy
Kamikaze pilot
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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Hmmmm ... I've never seen this happen with any of my birds, but like Sue & Jrmno say, I guess it's possible that Bertos hormones could be over active.
I do think it's best you have him seen by an avian vet tho, just to be sure!
I sure hope that's all it is & nothing serious! Please keep us updated! |
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Thursday September 21, 2006 5:19 pm |
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Papug
Experienced flier
Joined: 16 May 2005
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I never had anything like this happen to Papug so I don't think I will be of any help.
Just a thought... Are you sure that the source of wetness on his chest is actually from his beak? Is it possible that he just had a bath in his water dish or something? I caught my birds taking baths in their water dishes a few times. They don't fit in the dish so only part of their bodies gets wet. |
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Thursday September 21, 2006 9:23 pm |
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Vexilen
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It's not water, I haven't had time to clean him off yet (the emergency room vet said to keep the area clear of water so I can see if it gets worse) and it's still there, just dried up, and it was sticky when it was wet.
Berto is very tired, but he seems ok. It's hard to tell if he's tired because he was out so late (Til 11, he usually goes to bed at  or if he's sick. My brother checked on him a lot today and said he saw him eat and drink. (a good sign) But that Alberto mostly slept.
Right now he's sleeping (head tucked back and standing on one foot, another good sign) but I'll continue to watch him closely and if he's tired like this tomorrow I'll schedule an appointment with the avian vet that the emergency room vet reccomended.
The consensus is regurgitation though. While he was in the examining room the vet noticed some sort of regurgitated food on the side of his beak. (Which I'm pretty sure appeared while he was there or on the way there, since I didn't notice it when he first got wet)
Berto only has one toy that he actually plays with (he barely notices the other two I have in there), and he wasn't anywhere near it when I noticed the wetness. Could he have regurgitated on a favorite perch?
Again though, for the most part he seems fine. He was out this morning and didn't seem distressed by anything. I'll keep you all updated on his behavior.
Thanks again!
-Sara |
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Thursday September 21, 2006 10:32 pm |
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Jrmno1
Flying tumbler
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
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Good luck Sara, I hope everything turns out fine for you and yours. Keep us posted. Maybe this will help us with our problem child too.
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Friday September 22, 2006 1:44 am |
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Vexilen
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Berto is fine. After yesterday's tiredness he woke up this morning and was immediately back to his old loud and hyper cockatiel self. He even let me preen out a bunch of new pinfeathers. (He's molting at the moment) And scratch under his beak, which he only let me does if he's in an especially good mood. My mom also said that when she was home at lunch he screamed when she left the room (not a good habit to encourage, but it lets me know he's back to his old antics) and whistled to her when she was in here using my computer.
Thanks for all the kind words!
-Sara |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 12:52 am |
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Vexilen
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Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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...just kidding.
He did it again.
I'm sort of worried now. This time it was much less (I wouldn't have noticed it if I wasn't looking for it) but it was right on his crop, the vet I saw said sometimes bits of stuff leak out of the crop if the bird has eaten hot food, but all Berto ate today was seed, nothing hot. I also didn't see him do anything like bob his head before he regurgitated. It just ended up there.
His behavior/eating/stool is all normal. So I'd like to assume he's just having some sort of hormonal bird thing associated with his age (he's around 8 months) or the fact that he's molting.
Can anyone link me to a good article about what exactly happens when a bird regurgitates? I googled it but didn't find anything. Thanks for the help.
-Sara |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 2:19 am |
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meg832
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Joined: 16 Jun 2006
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It seems to me that friendly regurgitation would be accompanied by head bobbing.
My notes say to suspect pesticides on seed or greens, or bacterial infection (Salmonella), according to a vet named Gloria Dodd. I don't know where the article was or if it offered any suggestions about treatment. My bird's breeder commented once that bacterial infections unnecessarily kill a lot of pet birds, so I hope you are able to see that avian vet soon. I don't want to scare you, but remember that birds are very good at appearing to be healthy when they are sick. The good news is that bacterial infections are readily treatable. |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 4:40 am |
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Vexilen
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So I watched him obsessively last night. And I noticed what was happening.
He is definetly NOT regurgitating. Here's how things happen:
Berto sits there, all happy looking, then starts picking his beak with his feet. (I think he's trying to get the saliva stuff out)
Foot comes out SOAKED in clear liquid stuff. (I'm guessing it's saliva) If I pick him up after he does this the stuff gets on my hand.
He spends an hour trying to get the stuff out of his beak. (This includes rubbing it on the cage bars, perches, his foot again...)
I have a sporting event today, but I might leave it early to bring Berto to an avian vet. My mom is going to call one around nine.
-Sara |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 1:40 pm |
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meg832
Fledgeling
Joined: 16 Jun 2006
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Observation is a valuable tool often overlooked by caregivers. You were not obsessive; your were patient. Congratulations on your success in getting facts you can give to the vet. Job well done! |
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Sunday September 24, 2006 2:07 am |
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Vexilen
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Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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I took Berto to the vet today. The vet examined a fresh stool under the microscope and found some sort of bacteria (I forgot what it was called) and gave us medication I have to give Berto twice a day orally. The vet we saw was really nice and knowledgable, and I feel confidence in his diagnosis. He said the medication should work in 2-3 days and if it doesn't we can schedule Berto another appointment.
-Sara |
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Sunday September 24, 2006 3:03 am |
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Cathy
Kamikaze pilot
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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I sure hope the antibiotics make 'Berto all better  |
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Sunday September 24, 2006 3:09 am |
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Vexilen
Bappie
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Ok, so for those of you who wanted more detail, Berto had Giardia (I can't spell it) some birds with this never even exhibit symptoms, but the birds that do can pick their feet (like Berto was doing, turns out he was making the saliva stuff to make his feet feel better) weight loss, feather pulling, and itching.
For more info on it, read this article: http://www.holisticbirds.com/h.....iardia.htm
It's very curable, but giving Berto his medicine twice a day is hard! The vet made it look so easy when she showed us how, but Berto was not having any of it last night when we tried to do it ourselves. I tried to put him on my mom's finger and wrap the towel around him like the vet did, Berto flew to a high shelf. I eventually just threw on the towel on him and grabbed him. We then had to give it to him twice because the first time he moved his head and I shot it straight into the towel, go me.
I'll keep you all posted on Berto's progress.
-Sara |
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