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riffmax
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Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 208
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| Another newbie! |
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 My new baby has been with us for four days. He is already ruling the roost, so to speak.
He's not actually a baby - CJ is about 10 and was given to us by an extremely special family member who wants to travel and wants to know CJ is in good hands. He is a peach front conure who is a little skittish, but he's already "coming along" - he's sweet as can be.
Naturally, I want to learn all I can and as I research different sites, I see all kinds of different ideas.
For instance, about diet - in addition to his bird food, we've been giving him a couple slivers of apple each day because he likes it, but just today, i found a site that says fruits only about 3 times a week. He's had a couple nuts each day too. And he loves egg. This morning, he wanted a bite of my "everything" bagel, which probably had some preservatives - and i had a little margarine on it that he might have gotten a smidgin of. - I want to be sure I don't give him anything that is truly harmful (already know about chocolate and avocados). And I want to be sure to use moderation on things he shouldn't have too much of.
One specific thing that im curious about is veggies - his previous "mommy" told me not to give him greens -(lettuce, celery, etc) - that they make him sick. But I know broccoli should be at the top of his menu list for the vitamin k. And carrots are a good source for this too - but is that just the carrot, or the top?
Im sure I will become a large pest as CJ firmly places himself in charge of my husband and myself! Bear with me! |
Wednesday May 18, 2005 6:38 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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| Re: Another newbie! |
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Welcome here! I hope you'll enjoy your time here..
Great to welcome a beautiful conure.. Do you have a photo? 
There are so many contradictions in bird-world, it's very hard to pick the 'right' things.. Just pick the things that suit you most.. Or that work best for you..
I wouldn't go for large chunks of margarine, but a little bit of it, every once in a while wouldn't kill him. Though keep it limited..
I just read something disturbing about eggs.. They only seem to be safe when heated for quite some time, at a really high temperature. (Salmonella?)
I have to look that up!
I wouldn't feed lettuce, as lettuce has virtually no nutrition.. Can you get your hands on broccoli (especially the leaves that people won't eat he he he) carrots, dandelion (please beware of dandelion in lanes, as they might have been sprayed, or 'sprayed' by dogs..)
Broccoli is a good source of many vitamins!
I don't know about the top of the carrot? Perhaps anyone else knows? |
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Thursday May 19, 2005 8:54 am |
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riffmax
Fledgeling
Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 208
Location: Florida |
Not sure how to post a pic - but, yes I do have a couple, and as a photographer, will probably have an entire library pretty soon! LOL!
Veggies - I tried carrots last night. Nope. Not interested! Tonight we try tomatoes.
What about millet? He seems to love it, but I don't want him to fill up on it if it's no good, or "empty" calories!
I want to teach him the wave trick posted here, but he always moves first with his beak - it's like a third foot for him. So I don't think ill be able to do that one!
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Thursday May 19, 2005 1:50 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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You can start your own website if you want, and post photos there.. Just press the 'my homepage' button on the left
or follow this link
If you have any questions, please refer to this forum: http://www.fluffies.org/en/viewforum.php?f=32
You can also offer carrots cooked.. (Or chopped, sliced everything that comes into your mind)
Just keep trying, I'm sure he'll accept carrots one day!
I don't know about millet, but I think it's pretty 'empty' though I am not sure about this! Perhaps someone else knows? |
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Thursday May 19, 2005 2:17 pm |
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Cheeta
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Hi there RiffMax
Welcome to the world of parrots (sorry I didn't see you mentioned whether you had birds or not... ), and also to this site. Sue has done a great job here for sure!!
I would dearly love a conure of any sort! Howeve right now, my eyes are set on the black cockatoos!! Those little black beauties.
You mention about Avacados and chocolate, but also keep in mind raw onions are a no no as well (forgive me if you already know that). cooked ones are ok. My corella love it cooked.
Millets should only be given as treats just like sunflower seeds. Too much of them is not good for CJ . Brocolli is definitely very good for them. Just a question, do you get rid of the seeds when you give CJ the apples? Not sure if you know that the seeds are toxic to them. I think it's the same as pears also.
Like the Admin has mentioned, just pick out what's good for you, what works for you and your bird, and go with that, as long as they are not toxic of course to start off wiht!! Oh one more thing, just keep in mind that birds can have allergies just like us Human being. Some may be allergic to peanuts and stuff, so you might want to keep an eye out for that. Just For your information. Cheers.
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Thursday May 19, 2005 3:34 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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Bih, I didn't know that, about cooked onions. I avoid them at all times..
What is it that makes cooked onions ok?
Appleseeds indeed are poisonous. I think they contain prussic acid..  (I had heard this somewhere)
Scary! |
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Thursday May 19, 2005 4:20 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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quote:
Originally posted by Cheeta
Sue has done a great job here for sure!!
Thanks Bih! (Blush) |
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Thursday May 19, 2005 4:21 pm |
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Cheeta
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
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Location: Australia |
quote:
Originally posted by Administrator
Bih, I didn't know that, about cooked onions. I avoid them at all times..
What is it that makes cooked onions ok?
Well the reason why we should avoid raw onions is due to the layering of the onions which may store bacteria that may be harmful to our fids in between layers. Apollo had gotten to an onion once and chowed down on it! He loved it, but I wouldn't do it again. Basically I had forgotten that the onions were still sitting on my kitchen bench when I left him there. Anyway, nothing happened to him thank goodness. so that showed me that it wasn't the onion itself that was bad for the bird. But in saying that I have also been told this from several avian expert including an avian vet. Cooked ones basically gets rid of the harmful bacteria, so therefore makes it ok for the fids to eat them. I hope that helped.
Cheers
Bih
P.S. Regarding the site, I'm just telling it like it is. It's a great site. I love it here. |
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Thursday May 19, 2005 4:31 pm |
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riffmax
Fledgeling
Joined: 18 May 2005
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Location: Florida |
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Well, thanks for all the tips - keep 'em coming!
Did NOT know about the onions or the apple seeds. With apples, I only cut a small sliver and give it to him one piece at a time. And honestly, I would have never considered giving him onion at all! LOL!
Another question - right now, I am being what I consider fairly liberal with treats. He's getting a bite of scrambled egg in the morning - a piece of walnut or pecan - he's got his feed and a couple raw peanuts in the shell during the day, and we've been giving him a small slice of apple, or a nut or two in the evenings. Ive been using treats to help him get used to his new home.
So my question is actually "multi-part" - how much is too much of treats and such? I want to be able to use treats to teach him tricks, but if he's getting treats every time we handle him, that's not going to work. At what point has he had enough "assimilation" and I can hold back treats except for teaching him? I understand every one is an individual, so it will largely be governed by him, but what should I watch for? He seems pretty relaxed already, hardly biting at all any more. Is there any ballpark idea of how long he will take to feel "at home"? (by ball park, I'll say a few days? Several weeks? Maybe months?
And yes, I am new to birdland. I have spent a pretty good amount of time around them and have always enjoyed their company when I have had the pleasure, but this is the first I've brought into my own home! |
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Thursday May 19, 2005 5:45 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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Thanks for that info! I am quite surprised, I thought there was a chemical or something like that stored in raw onions..
(Blushing again he he he) |
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Thursday May 19, 2005 6:07 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Hi there,
what would you think of preparing scrambled egg in red palm oil? This is very healthy oil.. For your bird, but also for yourself!
(safarimkt.com)
I think treats are ok, as long as they're healthy. Broccoli & sprouts can also be provided as 'treats' but they're very healthy..
I think he knows his treats already, or have you had any indication that he doesn't?
I think he should feel at home right now.. Well, enough to start working with him? Just don't force it too much.. |
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Friday May 20, 2005 8:19 am |
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Cheeta
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 7956
Location: Australia |
quote:
Originally posted by Administrator
Thanks for that info! I am quite surprised, I thought there was a chemical or something like that stored in raw onions..
(Blushing again he he he)
No worries. No need to blush! Afterall, this world of birds has lots of little bits and pieces that we all are slowly learning. So it's all a learning process, I learn something from you, you learn something from me! Now aren't we all just a happy little bird family! |
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Friday May 20, 2005 9:25 am |
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Cheeta
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Hey Riffmax,
As Adminstrator has mentioned, as long as the treats are healthy, it's ok to give it to them all the time. But keep in mind there's always a FAVOURITE treat. Keep that as your ammunition to teach CJ tricks and stuff. Apollo's absolute fave is the Almonds, he's learnt to do a few things from me using almonds like play fetch and I'm in the process of teaching him rollover on command. He'll roll over when he plays but not on command yet, so I'm working on that.
i think may be one way of telling if a bird is adjusted or not (I may be wrong, please correct me if I am) is to observe his behaviour obviously! Naturally if a bird feels comfortable at the new place they are more likely to be active and more vocal, like little chirping and stuff. They are more likely to play with the toys a lot more and a lot rougher as well. I've noticed that with all my birds that I've brough home. Once they are happy, they are very chirpy and happy and playful as well. But that's just my observation. I don't think there's a set 'ballpark' for any bird. It all depends on the bird itself and also the family that it's moved into. From the sounds of things, he sounds like he's ready to be a part of the flock so to speak.
In my opinion, you don't have to hold back treats as such to teach him. Apollo gets treats all the time, peanuts, sprouts, and other nuts. The only ones he doesn't get often is his favourite almonds. I save that for trick training. and it works just fine like that. I hope I'm making some sense here.
Anyway, it's just my opinions of what's worked for me. You may like to give it a try and see if it works for you. May not though, but worth a try I guess. Good luck.
Sorry it's gotten a tad longer than I wanted it to. |
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Friday May 20, 2005 9:37 am |
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riffmax
Fledgeling
Joined: 18 May 2005
Posts: 208
Location: Florida |
He is definitely settling in - I've been very pleased the transistion has gone so well (IMHO)
Sprouts, huh? I'll try that! He loved broccolli leaves, which is good, since so far he's been picky about his veggies!
Does anyone know what type of store will carry the red palm oil? |
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Friday May 20, 2005 1:46 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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I have placed a link above.. But here it is again.. safarimkt.com
I don't know where to get it in normal stores? |
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Friday May 20, 2005 2:07 pm |
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