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shells picasso
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Does anyone have an eclectus with other birds? I would really love to get an eclectus. I already have a cockatoo. They would be in seperate cages in the same room. I'm worried they would not get on, that Picasso would get jealous and attack him. I'm also worried they might try to out scream each other. Ideally I'd like for them to be good company for each other when I can't be home with them, I know Picasso doesn't like other cockatoos and lorrikeets are too small to hold their own against him. What does everyone else think about the idea? |
Saturday June 25, 2005 12:09 pm |
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shirin
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I don't know much about personalities of eclectus, just make sure the introduction is really slow and gradual. Maybe even buy the cage and toys a few weeks before you bring the bird home, and set them up in the room to get Picasso used to the idea that a new bird is coming. And always make sure to pay attention to Picasso first. In the mornings take him out of the cage first, feed first, and put him in his cage last at night, so he doesn't feel jealous.
I read in one of your other posts that there's already an eclectus at the pet shop that you're thinking of right? What about taking Picasso for a visit to the petshop and see how he reacts to the bird. (some might not think that's a good idea because of possible disease transmission from other birds in the pet shop).
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Saturday June 25, 2005 1:25 pm |
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Cheeta
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Hi there Shell....
I am in the same boat as Shirin, I don't know anything about the Ekkie. However I do agree with Shirin with the gradual introduction. I am not sure how well it'll get on with Picasso, but then it all depends on the bird personalities! I can't ever imagine Apollo being friendly and getting on with another bird, but I can see him being friend to another from afar!
No offence Shirin, I'm not having a go or anything, just my opinion, I think having the toys there on display for awhile may be tempting fate! If Picasso sees it sitting there, most likely he will not associate that as a new bird coming in, but more, oh look at that new piece of toy, I wonder when mommy's going to give it to me, then to find out that it's for another bird, it may cause some jealousy. Just my opinion. And also, yeah I'm one of those that would probably never take my bird to a bird place unless I know for sure that it's as safe as my own home, which is in my opinion will be never. So I would advice against doing that too. My honest opinion. But if you think that it's ok to do it, then by all means, go for it. It may be a good way to see if Picasso gets on with it or not.
However I do want to say that if you do end up taking in a new bird, no matter the species, and picasso and it doesn't get on well, don't push it, just let nature takes it's path. Or you may ruin something special that you already have. Just my opinion.
Sorry if I offend someone, it's just my thoughts.
Cheers
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Saturday June 25, 2005 2:17 pm |
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shirin
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no offence taken Bih
Setting up the cage of a new bird before the bird arrives to get the existing bird used to the idea is something I've read about in different articles and magazines, and has been recommended by many behaviour specialists. I mainly tend to trust the experts and follow their advice as I am not an expert myself. Since we already have different species of birds and 2 cages in the house, I think my Grey would recognize that a new cage would mean another bird. But with a bird who's always been the only bird in the family, you might be right, it might think that the new cage and toys are for him too  |
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Saturday June 25, 2005 3:17 pm |
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Cheeta
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Hey Shirin,
Thanks for that. I'm sure if the experts had said that I'm sure that would be the case. Sorry, I didn't mean to just blurt it out like that. It just that that would be case for Apollo that's all. Anything that's up that he can see, if he doesnt get it and it goes to another one of my birds, he'll go nuts trying to get it whenever he can!! But may be it's up the different bird personalities as well. hehehe. Apollo is afterall quite an egotistic bird!! thinks everything is his! LOL |
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Saturday June 25, 2005 3:22 pm |
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shirin
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Hehehe, Appolo just cracks me up!
You know, the thing is, we can only read and research so much, but until we've actually gone through the experience ourselves, it's hard to judge how it will turn out. We can only use the research we've done as a general guideline to make our experience as smooth as possible. To tell you the truth, as the time to bring LooLoo home gets closer and closer I'm getting more and more nervous. I'm soo worried about stressing Bunny. I know he's quite the jealous one. But I'm hoping if I take all the right precausions and make sure he knows that he's still a special one, and number one, that it won't be so bad for him, and that he'll actually get along with the new baby. i think it might also be a plus that he's still pretty young himself, so it's probably easier introducing a new bird now then 3 years from now, when he really considers himself king of the castle like Appolo  |
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Saturday June 25, 2005 3:37 pm |
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Cheeta
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hehehe, you're right. It is only through experience that we know what will work best for us!! We can only try our best to our knowledge and do the best we can for our birds. |
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Saturday June 25, 2005 3:47 pm |
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ekkiemom
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I do not believe that an Eclectus would be any easier or more difficult to introducte to another bird than any other species.
A gradual
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introduction is important I believe. Also, everything I have read regarding adding a new bird suggests a neutral space. Some place that neither bird is familiar, so neither feels like his territory is threatened. |
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Monday June 27, 2005 1:41 am |
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shells picasso
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Location: Sydney |
My flatmate is moving out soon and I am taking his room, a girl is moving into my old room (Picasso loves girls) maybe that will be enough for Picasso to see things are different, he is sooo adaptable though, I take him out a lot and he's straight up to new people, he is getting around in his harness now and only had one flap with the traffic today which he recovered from almost instantly. I would still like to get him a feathered friend though, he doesn't seem to uderstand he's a bird. I have the whole set up for an eclectus from when i had my lorikeets, I bought everything big for them and I miss their antics. Then again the pet shop owner asked if I wanted to start a shop, I think they're considering expanding, maybe I could buy into a partnership and Picasso could have lots of birdy buddies! |
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Monday June 27, 2005 11:21 am |
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birdielover
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I own an ekkie (RS female) and until a few weeks ago also owned a rosebreasted 'too. I had the 'too for 15 years and the ekkie has been a part of my flock for 1 year this weekend. The ekkie would have liked to be friends but the galah was terrified of her. The galah never did get used to the ekkie. They were housed in separate cages, so that was never a problem and quite often their cages were side by side on the verandah but that is as close as the galah ever wanted to be. But it was never a problem to me as long as they were in their own cages. |
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Thursday September 8, 2005 9:10 pm |
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shells picasso
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unfortunately I can't get another bird at the moment, Picasso was diagnosed with beak and feather disease soon after my first post in this thread, hopefully he will be ok, but I would not risk another bird catching it. |
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Thursday September 8, 2005 10:30 pm |
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birdielover
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PBFD is highly contagious, even if you no longer have the bird. I have read of a lady who had a bird with the disease. It took her a long time, a lot of hard work, and a lot of money to totally disinfect her home so that no new bird could be infected with the disease once her bird passed over the rainbow bridge. She had her home tested a few times before she got the all clear. I have read that it can take up to 10 years before you can get another bird safely into your home (once you no longer have any infected birds) and even then there is no guarantee.
My vet suggested I do not even encourage the wild birds around here - which is hard when they fly around and roost in some of our trees. Apparently in Australia our wild population is full of the disease.
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Thursday September 8, 2005 11:54 pm |
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Cheeta
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Yeah unfortunately the PBFD has hit the wild population in Australia real hard. It's so sad to see that all these guys are just dropping like flies because of the disease!!  |
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Friday September 9, 2005 7:59 am |
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shells picasso
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I was wondering about how I'd go about cleaning up after a PBFD bird and if I was to move into a place that'd had an infected bird living in it at some point how would I know? The vet said as far as Picasso goes to not allow him to have access to his own poo and not to expose other birds to him, at the clinic the vet wears a gown over his clothes so not to get dust etc on himself before handling him. If I was to own another bird I'd give my place a good clean (steam clean carpets etc) but I wouldn't go nuts trying to get my place sterile and I'd ensure any new bird was vacinated, had antibodies and was an appropriate age to be past the most dangerous period for infection, alternatley I'd adopt a bird that was a carrier already. I'm pretty careful about people hadling Picasso, and about handling other birds myself, I'm always sure to wash hands and wear freshly cleaned clothes if I plan to go somewhere where I will handle other birds. I know it is highly contagious but I have heard mixed reports, I've no idea how Picasso got it only that it may have been something subtle like picking it up when he's been outside or my mums birds when he was there at xmas but I think it's most likely he had it before I got him. my mums neighbour has toos in an avairy an at lest one of the wild toos has obvious symptoms so her birds have been exposed yet they have not been infected. I'll have to ask the vet more when I see him next, I suspect vets have not yet found out all there is to know about the disease and are extra cautious. |
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Friday September 9, 2005 9:54 am |
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birdielover
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I was actually going to suggest if you want another bird you take in one that has the disease - probably not worded properly, but I think you know what I mean. I read on another forum of a lady whos bird has PBFD and she takes in birds only with the disease. That way she can give them quality of life and not worry about passing it on to her bird or vise versa. I have also heard that some birds can just be carriers, so they show no obvious signs of the disease. And yes it is sad to think that so many of our wild birds have the disease with no hope. |
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