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bbogdanleo
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the world health organization warns avian flu is still number one threat
flu still no 1 threat
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Friday September 22, 2006 8:37 am |
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Cathy
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Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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All of this is interesting reading, but I don't think it's anything really new, or nothing any of us weren't really aware of.
I mean, I don't think any of us here on this forum aren't aware of the threat of tbird flu. And I think most of us take certain precautions, & keep abreast of the latest news anyway.
One thing I'm curious about is if YOU live with any birds bbogdanleo. |
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Friday September 22, 2006 12:03 pm |
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bbogdanleo
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Don't see what relevance does it make if I live with birds. Considering the virus is one that could spread rapidly across vast territories, don't think proximity to birds would be the only reason for concern for anyone. My parents raise birds in the countryside and I live in a country where flu outbreaks have been dealt with so I don't think I need to be next to birds everyday to consider myself threatened by the disease. |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 9:37 am |
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Cheeta
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I think the difference here would be YOU are so afraid of dying from avian flu, where as most of here are more worried about what's going to happen to our birds if it were to have an outbreak where we are. |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 10:51 am |
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bbogdanleo
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I am not afraid of dying of avian flu. Just worried about it as plenty of experts are prediction this problem will not be an easy one to solve. I do not get through a day thinking about bird flu. Just keep a website about it that maybe will help more people be aware of the problem. On the other hand, I have pleaded for common sense in some forums where I assure you, you will find people really obsessed by the subject and preparing for it as if it were the apocalypse. If you want I will post some links of those forums. |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 11:59 am |
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shirin
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Joined: 27 Apr 2005
Posts: 7401
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Oh please, like WHO is such a reliable source of information  They said the exact same things that they're saying about the bird flu, about SARS, and none of it happened. I'm not scared one bit.  |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 12:38 pm |
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cheekie_birdy
Experienced flier
Joined: 08 Jul 2006
Posts: 1719
Location: Canada |
I'm not afraid of bird flu. They just overhyping it. Our fids can only get it if they come in contact with wild birds carrying it, or a human carrying it. And I am not afraid of taking my fids outside either, or to bird club meetings. |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 1:05 pm |
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Cathy
Kamikaze pilot
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
Posts: 6672
Location: Omaha, NE USA |
The thing with the media is that it does put a lot of fear in people.
For those living with companions birds, that fear leads them to take needed precautions.
But, from what I've heard, some who don't live with companion birds, have been known to take that fear out on innocent birds & their people.
I heard of many incidents in other countries, especially the UK, where aviary birds were being threatened! THAT is VERY scary!! |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 1:08 pm |
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Cheeta
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quote:
Originally posted by bbogdanleo
I am not afraid of dying of avian flu. Just worried about it as plenty of experts are prediction this problem will not be an easy one to solve. I do not get through a day thinking about bird flu. Just keep a website about it that maybe will help more people be aware of the problem. On the other hand, I have pleaded for common sense in some forums where I assure you, you will find people really obsessed by the subject and preparing for it as if it were the apocalypse. If you want I will post some links of those forums.
Sooooooo it's because of people like you that just won't give it rest that put fear into people for those who have absolutely no common sense.
Like Shirin already mentioned... remember when they had the foot and mouth disease, mad cow disease? most recently before the Avian Flu, the SARS?!?!? Oh whatever happen to SARS?!>!? hhmmm Oh yeah, that's right, the media-hype died down!! geeze... I wonder... suddenly the world is AOK again... SARS doesn't seem so very deadly anymore. Sure the world authorities need to take precautions for avian flu just the same as SARS and all the rest, but it's the media hype that over does it for those who has no common sense or little common sense when it comes to outbreaks and all the rest.
And yes, unfortunately innocent aviary birds and birds owner have been threaten because of the hype. You know how sad that is?!?!?! |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 1:50 pm |
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Jrmno1
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Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Posts: 2310
Location: Ohio, USA |
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeta
And yes, unfortunately innocent aviary birds and birds owner have been threaten because of the hype. You know how sad that is?!?!?!
My Vet was more worried about placing an "inventory" of the birds here on Fluffies then he is about the Bird Flu. Because "The Local Goverment can find the Birds easier, to kill them, just like they did in Ca." This is coming from a Vet who is contracted by the Fed Gov to help find a cure in his own Lab here in OH.
I say this not to scare anybody, Notice I contuine to place my "inventory" of birds here for anybody to see and make note of.
John & Carrie |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 3:38 pm |
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bbogdanleo
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[quote="Cheeta"]
quote:
Originally posted by bbogdanleo
Sure the world authorities need to take precautions for avian flu just the same as SARS and all the rest, but it's the media hype that over does it for those who has no common sense or little common sense when it comes to outbreaks and all the rest.
And yes, unfortunately innocent aviary birds and birds owner have been threaten because of the hype. You know how sad that is?!?!?!
Birds being threatened is only indirectly a result of the media hype. No one is forced to do anything to any birds. If someone is so stupid as to consider this as some sort of protection for the disease, it's his own problem and he or she should probably be punished for such acts. We cannot impose censorship on the media just because of some lunatics who don't know how to take a news. There must be more media hype about terrorism these days, for example, but I don't go pointing fingers at muslims or Arabs on the streets or things like that...
You've mentioned SARS and other diseases. Sure, there was more hype about those than what eventually came out of it. But flu really isn't like that. Just read about the Spanish flu at the beginning of the century. The death rate of 2,5% there and millions died world wide. Bird flu has had a 50% death rate so far...I'm not saying let's all crawl up under a rock and live in fear. But this should be taken into consideration... |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 5:14 pm |
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bbogdanleo
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Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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Sorry, I've made some errors editing that last post |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 5:21 pm |
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fionam
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Joined: 29 Mar 2005
Posts: 1756
Location: Surrey, UK |
I am sorry but all this talk of Bird Flu is scaremongering....
I know that it needs to be kept eye on, but I live in a country where we had foot and mouth and you could not go for walks anywhere in our national parks...
I know about Bird Flu,and I know that my media will make it all seem so scary if we have anything like a case of it over here..
I do not need to be hit over the head by it..
BTW - In my parrot magazine there was a peice about our local govenment want all bird owners to register thier birds - needless to say I have not registered my Pi
Please if any of us are worried about Bird Flu we are quite capable of find out for ourselves, what we need to know.
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Saturday September 23, 2006 5:39 pm |
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joti26
Fledgeling
Joined: 07 Aug 2005
Posts: 222
Location: Northants. UK |
Well said Fiona. Aren't we all supposed to be suffering from mad cow disease here in the UK too (actually often think I probably am). The foot and mouth year was horrific and yes my concern is for our pet birds not for my own well being. I hate newspapers and don't believe a word in them. There is so much manipulation of the news these days, often real issues are covered up by scaremongering and it gets more like 1984 every day. It would be more likely to be me that got bird flu first not my birds - my birds don't have a tendency to go out in crowded places much! I would have to go to prison first before anyone got to my birds! |
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Saturday September 23, 2006 10:43 pm |
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meg832
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quote:
You've mentioned SARS and other diseases. Sure, there was more hype about those than what eventually came out of it. But flu really isn't like that. Just read about the Spanish flu at the beginning of the century. The death rate of 2,5% there and millions died world wide. Bird flu has had a 50% death rate so far...I'm not saying let's all crawl up under a rock and live in fear. But this should be taken into consideration...
Okay, let's take this into consideration.
1. In 1918-1920, the Spanish flu killed 30 - 40% of the people who caught it and went to allopathic physicians (regular, drug/vaccine type doctors).
2. The world health community was completely taken by surprise by the Spanish flu. They didn't know where it was originating and it spread like wildfire.
3. People died rapidly in the Spanish flu pandemic from the complications of the flu. (Just like they warn of the avian flu--it's the complications that kill you.)
Now compare:
1. Homepathic physicians who treated flu patients in 1918- 1920 lost only 1% of their patients. (You read it right: one percent.) We still have homeopathy, and allopathic medicine has improved.
2. The world health community is well aware of every case of the Avian flu and is tracking it carefully so it can't spread like the Spanish flu did. Plans are already in place for potential quarantines. Also, anyone who hasn't been living under a rock knows how to minimize the chances of getting the flu.
3. Hospitals today are well prepared to save people from various complications caused by the flu. Just the invention of plastic has made a huge difference in today's health care. (Think--IVs, disposable syringes, all those tubes in intensive care, etc.) That's right. They didn't have plastic in 1920. They also didn't have teleconferencing, computer databases, and people working on a cure for a flu before it even exists.
By the way, birds can be treated with homeopathy, as can any other animal.
If you really want to do some good, you would quit fanning the flames of fear. |
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