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luke1
Fledgeling
Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 313
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Hi, i have found this site\ and think it is pretty good, as it has helped me make the decision of allowing my next bird to fly and i would like to fly free outdoors.
http://www.thepiratesparrot.com/free.htm
This site is not agaisnt clipping(i think) and states in an article that how can a parrot or any bird reach it's full potential and live to it's oldest age without flight, as this is what they are designed to do. This makes sense to me?! What do you think of it and does anyone free fly their parrots?
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Tuesday December 19, 2006 4:15 pm |
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Cheeta
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 7956
Location: Australia |
I don't have a problem with either way. it's what you prefer and what your situations call for.
All my birds are flighted, they can fly anywhere they want to... all but one that is.. one of my budgies doesn't seems to have develop enough wing muscles to fly, or was injured as a baby before he came home with me.
They are however not free flighted outdoor. No way would I do that.. |
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Wednesday December 20, 2006 3:10 pm |
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luke1
Fledgeling
Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 313
Location: UK |
Cheeta why would you not fly outdoors?
No i dont have a problem either way but its just ive allways kept my birds clipped and they destroy enough now! The wallpaper, picture frames, window sills. Do you have your birds trained to not chew things up? lol, sounds impossible.
My mate has two budgies, zamora and bob. I clipped Bob for him when he got him then as his wings grew back his other (idiot) mate tried to clip him. It was a real hack and he now cant fly. Not at all he just trys o flap but not really hard enough, its like hes forgot how to fly.
the pet shop clipped freddy when he was about 5 months and he could fly really well and he used to fly to me. I wish id flight trained for outdoors now, but i didnt know enough. i clip him myself now.
i wouldnt try to flight train budgies or tiels for outdoors , there to nervous and flightly. |
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Wednesday December 20, 2006 3:28 pm |
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Cheeta
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Location: Australia |
Well I guess if Apollo was Free flight trained may be, but he isn't so I wouldn't let him out there unless he's got a harness on, and he's not one to have harness on him at anytime, so he can't be trusted outdoor without taking off and me loosing him forever, so no outdoor flights for Apollo.
And like you said, budgies arne't good outside, so they have the inside of the whole house to fly instead.  |
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Wednesday December 20, 2006 3:47 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Some species are more appropriate for freeflight than other species. It takes a lot of training to do this!
Please don't think lightly of it. If it's done by an inexperienced person, chances are quite big that your bird will take off.
I think freeflight is great by the way. But only when done by someone with a lot of experience or after a lot of training. |
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Monday January 8, 2007 3:14 pm |
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Jrmno1sCarrie
Flier
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Posts: 718
Location: Ohio |
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Originally posted by Cheeta
And like you said, budgies arne't good outside, so they have the inside of the whole house to fly instead.
Cheeta I was wondering when your budgies are out flying around if you have a hard time keeping track of them? I know when Chichi and Willow(conures) are flying it is really hard to locate them sometimes.
I agree that it takes a lot of training to free fly a bird. I myself would be hard pressed even after lots and lots of training to just let my bird fly outside. It would be a wondrous sight to see but I'm sure I would have a heart attack just wondering if my bird would come back. 
As for clipping I think it is just a matter of preference. We would prefer to have all ours flighted but know that it is impossible. Dawn, Penn and Tank need to stay clipped for various reasons. Right now we have I think 6 flighted parrots in our house and it is quite chaotic at times.
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Tuesday January 30, 2007 1:08 am |
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kyria
Egg
Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 14
Location: Australia |
For me it was a case of letting them have flight after handraising so that they gain the ability to fly and learn to land correctly. Then clip them until they were trained and tamed completely.
Once my babies re-grew their flight feathers I haven't re-clipped them. But is getting to the point where, being pets, and indoor pets at that, they want to be with me all !! the time and will follow me (fly to me), sometimes without my knowledge, one day this may be out the door and off into the wild blue yonder to fall pray to what ever fate awaits a tame house pet in the wild. I don't want to risk that, so I am considering clipping again.
My humble opinion only, A tamed escape will just not survive. if you want them to be that free, don't get a "pet" bird. Enjoy the local wild birds instead. |
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Monday February 12, 2007 1:43 pm |
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Cheeta
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quote:
Originally posted by Jrmno1sCarrie
quote:
Originally posted by Cheeta
And like you said, budgies arne't good outside, so they have the inside of the whole house to fly instead.
Cheeta I was wondering when your budgies are out flying around if you have a hard time keeping track of them? I know when Chichi and Willow(conures) are flying it is really hard to locate them sometimes.
Carrie... when the inside budgies come out to fly (currently five of them flighted, and one that actually never learnt to fly).. When they come out, they usually stay in the room that their cage is situated. Sometimes I closed the room door so I can have my cats indoor with me. that's easy enough to track them down as they like to hang on top of the curtain rail, or in fact, they go back in their cage to rest. If I leave the door open (make sure the cats aren't in the house), then I may have problem every now and then locating them. But they are so very active that I can be sure soon enough someone will start flying around and make the other fly as well.. so if I want to catch them... that's what I do.. wait for them to fly.. LOL. Once it took me half an hour to search the whole house for one of them, and he was 'squished' between the curtain materials... he must have climbed up and was hanging out in here having a field days putting holes in the curtain fabric!!! |
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Monday February 12, 2007 1:57 pm |
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bird brain
Flutterer
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 130
Location: Tn. USA |
We have 2 Teils and 2 Suns in our livingroom and their cages stay open all day. I never have to look far. The suns stay on their cage, hanging swing or perch, Elvis (Teil) is never far from Sprinkles (Sun). Simon (Teil) doesn't leave his cage often and only goes to the perch when he does come out. That room belongs to only them and they love it! |
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Tuesday February 13, 2007 4:26 am |
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daisysis
Bappie
Joined: 04 Feb 2007
Posts: 82
Location: michigan |
Gee.. free flying I do not know ..
How do you keep up the droppimgs clean-up 
I am cleaning cage eveyday and most birds poo every 15 to 20 min.
I am haveing a nice size cage builded for my keets and others I rescue that can flock together .But THE DROPPINGS..that can not be good. |
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Wednesday February 21, 2007 1:14 am |
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shirin
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Joined: 27 Apr 2005
Posts: 7401
Location: Canada, Toronto |
daisysis, do you mean you keep the budgies in their cage all the time? I have a huge flight cage for my lovebirds, and there's only 2 of them, but they would never be content to be in their cage 24/7, no matter how big the cage is. Maybe you could put some paper down or something when they are out? All birds need out of cage time, not just bigger parrots  |
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Wednesday February 21, 2007 1:23 pm |
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Peanuts
Bappie
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 52
Location: Sweden |
My parrots will never (probably) be wingclipped. They both love to fly and I canīt find one good reason to clip them. |
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Wednesday February 21, 2007 2:13 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Hi Diasysis.. Birds do poop very often.. Some birds hold it a little longer but then a BIG drop comes out. (Like with Scuttle)
Please try not to worry about the droppings too much.. It comes with birds!  |
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Wednesday February 21, 2007 3:05 pm |
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Cheeta
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
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Location: Australia |
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quote:
Originally posted by daisysis
Gee.. free flying I do not know ..
How do you keep up the droppimgs clean-up
I am cleaning cage eveyday and most birds poo every 15 to 20 min.
I am haveing a nice size cage builded for my keets and others I rescue that can flock together .But THE DROPPINGS..that can not be good.
When you say a nice size cage built for your keets, I hope you're meaning an aviary size cage... and not a rather small size ones... I have my indoor keets (5) in rather big cages... the smallest being 20' x 20'.. and they get out time...
As with droppings.. really it isn't that bad... my cockatoo poop just about everywhere he goes, but generally you just either wait till it dries and vacuum it up , or if it's not on carpet, then just wipe it up. not much work at all.. as with the budgies?? well with such tiny poop, even with five of them, I do just wait till after it's dry then vacuum it the next day.. not much hassle at all.. all in a day's work of cleaning... and I hate cleaning!!! |
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Wednesday February 21, 2007 3:07 pm |
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Cheeta
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 7956
Location: Australia |
yes I agree with Sue... Poops are all part of package of having birds.. if you can't handle that, I would think that rescueing birds are probably not really something you should get involved too heavily. sorry to say. |
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Wednesday February 21, 2007 3:09 pm |
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