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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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I found this disturbing message in the guestbook. http://www.fluffies.org/en/fluffies_guestbook.php
Some friends were just sittin around chattin and the subject of talking birds arose. Here's what the disagreement is..."Some ppl. say that parrots hafta have their tongues split in order to talk... or they cannot talk if this isn't done, no matter how hard u try to get them to speak. What we want to know is.. Fact,or Fiction? Also..what about budgies? When can I expect a reply/answer to this?
I already put a reply there, as I was very worried!! |
Thursday June 9, 2005 9:51 am |
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ksue
Flier
Joined: 05 May 2005
Posts: 484
Location: Melbourne Australia |
What the.............. do they mean what i think they mean????? I hope these are just weird people and not some kind of norm from where ever they are????? Thats just unbeleivable |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 9:57 am |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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You know, I have heard this advice from people too when I took my parrots outside.
They came to me and asked if they could talk. (They always ask this!) I think I didn't feel like talking then, so I probably said 'No'.
Then they gave me the very same advice as the statement in the guestbook!!
People also told me to give a very very hot potato to my birds. This would also let them talk!!
Can you believe this?! |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 10:05 am |
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Cheeta
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 7956
Location: Australia |
Hey there
Just to clear something up. There are birds out there that doesn't usually talk but if they snip a bit of the tongue and split it, they make really good talker. I think crow is one of them. I have heard a crow talked very well, all because the tongue was snipped a little. Go figure. I don't think that's the case with Parrots though as they have rounded tongue, where as birds like crow have flat tongue. I hope that made sense. 
Cheers
Bih. |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 11:08 am |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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... I don't know enough about crows to judge it.. It could very well be true, but.. Would we hurt a bird so that it would start to talk? (And please us?)
Someone on the Dutch board has a crow, it's a young one..
I will ask her about this. One of her relatives used to have a crow when she was younger. |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 11:21 am |
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Cathy
Kamikaze pilot
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
Posts: 6672
Location: Omaha, NE USA |
hmmmmm, I've never even heard of such a thing before. Well, neither of my birds tongues are split & they both talk a little bit, tho neither are big talkers.
Nah, I wouldn't even consider it, I'm happy with the way both of them are right now!
Dang, hopefully that wont become the "new thing" with breeders, to split their tongues before they leave the nest, the way some dog breeders snip off tails when the pups are born. |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 11:33 am |
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LVMY2S
Fledgeling
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
Posts: 255
Location: Chicago,IL |
As long as I have been involved in the welfare of birds, I have never heard such a thing. I'm sure all this started from a very uniformed person or ignorant to the anatomy and physiology of birds. This is total abuse!
As for the docking of tails on dogs. This is mostly practiced in the USA. It is also abuse. If you look at other dog shows(Crups etc.)in other countries, they leave their dogs tails and ears in their natural condition. The AKC seems to be getting away from the clipping of dogs ears(Schnauzer,Doberman etc.) hopefully they will also get away from the docking of tails. Karen |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 1:12 pm |
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Cathy
Kamikaze pilot
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
Posts: 6672
Location: Omaha, NE USA |
Yeah, you're right Karen, I have noticed that such practice with dog breeders is not as prevailant in other countries. And I think too that it's become more of an issue here in the US to do away with it. In fact, I understand that a lot of potential dog buyers are specifically asking that not be done, so hopefully it will catch on more & more. |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 1:36 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by LVMY2S
As for the docking of tails on dogs.
It used to be common over here too Karen!
But now, it's forbidden. I love those rottweilers with longs tails. Call me dumb but I like them wagging.. |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 1:46 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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As dogs 'talk' with their tails (Also with other parts of their body, but a tail is easy to read!) I think cutting the tail equals removing someone's tongue..
But that's just my opinion.
People over here used to say that cutting the tail was done at such a young age that they wouldn't feel it. Or at least, not remember it..  |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 1:48 pm |
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LVMY2S
Fledgeling
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
Posts: 255
Location: Chicago,IL |
Good point Sue. I agree with dogs speaking through their tails. When my chihuahua knows shes in trouble, boy can she tuck that tail in. She also uses it as a rudder when she swims on our pool. She looks like a little otter. LOL My neighbor had poodle-shitzu mixed puppies a few months ago and thought about docking their tails. I'm glad she listened to me and left them natural. They are so cute with their long tails. Karen |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 2:20 pm |
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shirin
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Joined: 27 Apr 2005
Posts: 7401
Location: Canada, Toronto |
| Re: Something disturbing |
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This is the sickest thing I've heard in a long time! I can't believe people would actually mutilate poor defenseless creatures just to get some kind of sick amusement out of it!  As we all know, companion birds are so MUCH MORE than just their ability to talk. The sad thing is, you have these people who get parrots just for the sole purpose of hearing them talk, and those same people are usually the ones who keep their birds locked up in a small cage all it's life with no toys or anything, and poor diets and abusive situations. I swear.. there should be some sort of screening for pet owners. Not anyone should be allowed to have them.
As far as the dog tail thing, I've never heard of that, I don't know much about dogs, what was the reason behind this practice? |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 2:51 pm |
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Cheeta
Moderator
Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 7956
Location: Australia |
Hmmm don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to get anyone uptight about this. Please realise that I do not agree with what's being done to bird. But it is a practice that do occur, and I have seen it first hand. It is not in Australia though if you're thinking that's where I'm talking about. |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 2:54 pm |
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shirin
Moderator
Joined: 27 Apr 2005
Posts: 7401
Location: Canada, Toronto |
Oh no Bih! I hope you didn't think I was mad at you or directing my comments in anyway at what you said! I know you were just telling us that you've heard of the practice. It just makes me sick that this kinda thing actually goes on! |
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Thursday June 9, 2005 3:02 pm |
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Cheeta
Moderator
Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 7956
Location: Australia |
Phew, that's good to hear. I was to be honest a bit worried there.
As with the dog docking, forgot to mention that earlier. It's a practice that's still very common here in Australia. Basically it's to shorten the length of the 'fighter' kinda breed such as boxer, dobermann and bull dog and dogs like that so that they make better fighter I think? I can't remember why they started doing it. But now in Australia, in the dog shows, they still look for the docked tail as part of it's quality. The shorter the tail, the better it is. It is just plain cruel!!! Just the same the the tongue in birds of course. |
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