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Friday July 18, 2008 3:58 pm |
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PeCe
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Congratulations with your Rosie, she is still a very you ekkie. With 9 weeks and already away from the breeder. I guess you still have to feed her I think twice a day?! Your Rosie is a quick learner if she can fly with 9 weeks, most ekkies take a little longer to get at that point.
I know several others have tried to teach and learn their ekkies things at that age, but all found out that their ekkies are too young for these kinds of training. As you write, they like to explore the world and roam around at that age.
Just give Rosie some time and enjoy her presence. In time she will become more attached to you and than you can do lot's of things with her. |
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Sunday July 20, 2008 12:11 am |
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pmjtent
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Thanks for the reply. Rosie eats very well, she gets chopped veggies and fruits every morning and night. She eats spinach, cucumber, carrots, peppers, broccoli, kale, mustard greens, apple, apricots, corn, peas and other stuff. She loves everything, eats very good. She is very dominating to my umbrella, and tries with us. We are trying to show her we are the flock leader, by picking her up everytime she flys away and telling her no. Or when she decides to bite we tell her no bite then we turn our back to her for a few minutes to egnore her, she does not like that. I don't believe she will be a cuddler, she will let you pet her and rub her feathers. She really doesn't like her head rubbed. She acts older then she is. |
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Sunday July 20, 2008 6:25 pm |
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PeCe
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Most eclectus females are dominating towards the others, so that sounds like normal behavior. Both my female ekkies also dominate the males. Nevertheless they both have changed in the years and now like to be with me and don't mind cuddling. The first year it was the same as you write, they were independent, I was allowed to pet them, not to much more. But after a year both changed a lot and now mine like to be cuddled. Same applies to several other ekkies I know of. So I guess your Rosie will change (logical) with getting older too. But if she becomes a cuddler, that I agree you have to wait to know that for certain. |
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Sunday July 20, 2008 11:26 pm |
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pmjtent
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Thanks for the info. Guess what she is staying on top of her cage tonight without flying off. She has been up there for a couple of hours Ya! 
But if you try and take her down she tries to bite you. I will get a pic loaded soon. Casper my umbrella is 5 years old and he is the cuddler, he loves to wrap up into a blanket and sleep next to you. |
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Monday July 21, 2008 2:27 am |
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pmjtent
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I have a question, Rosie is getting so mean. When you put your hand in her cage for her to step up she charges you and bites you to draw blood. If she is on top of her cage she does the same thing. She really bites hard. |
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Wednesday July 23, 2008 1:46 am |
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PeCe
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Most eclectus parrots have this phase, but most of the time they are still with their breeder, so the "future" owners are not put up with this problem. When the parrots are so young lots of things change fast and they have to learn a lot of new things.
After about 10 weeks (8-12) they become territorial and start defending their home (cage). Also the become more independent and start to try you out, to see how far they can go. I know it is difficult, but you should try to ignore the biting and show your Rosie that you are in charge. Soon after that Rosie will settle down and become herself again. UNLESS she finds out that with biting and defending she is the boss and you back off. Than she has a tool to do things her way and not yours.
If the biting is getting to severe, than you can use a rope to let her step-up. With that she still has to step up and also finds out that biting does not bring her any results. |
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Wednesday July 23, 2008 6:59 pm |
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pmjtent
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Thanks for the reply, I have another question my breeder said for me to get avicalm they use it to train there birds. What do you think? This is what she is doing when you put your hand in her cage and tell her to step up, she charges you and bites. If she flys out of her cage and you go get her she charges you biting. She is biting really hard. If I put her on top of her cage that has a play area she will bite you if you try and take her down. If you give her a treat by hand she attacks the treat. What should I do because she bites so hard it's hard not to pull your hand back. |
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Wednesday July 23, 2008 9:05 pm |
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PeCe
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Avicalm is a product I am not familiar with. I checked it briefly on the internet and as I suspected it is a kind of drug to make your Rosie (as the name says) calm. Maybe it works, but I am not to fond on that kind of products. Why drugging a parrot? You have to work and change her behavior, not make her "sleepy?". Rosie is a young parrot and has to learn a lot. Drugging a parrot is not a method to learn her behave. BUT it is up to you. Like other things, there are many ways and options to choose from. If you think it is best and your breeder advices the product, than you can give it a try.
Although I am pro-flight and do not clip my birds, I do think that clipping Rosie will give a better result than Avicalm. Because with clipping Rosie she becomes more dependent on you and most parrots are more tame after clipping. When Rosie and you have gotten to know each other better, than with the next mold you can let her get her wings back. At least when you want her to fly. Some people prefer clipped birds, because they have children that as an example might leave windows or doors open.
As said in my previous post I guess it is a phase and Rosie will give in when she finds out that biting does not work. Strange that she attacks her treats, that does not fit in the "picture". Only thing I can add
(maybe you know it, but better twice then never)
here is that when Rosie bites, you should not (it is instinctive, I know) pull your finger/hand back, BUT you should try to react by pushing your finger/hand slightly further in her beak. That has two advantages;
- She learns that biting does not work AND that you counter her actions.
- When your finger is further in her beak, then can not close her beak so good and the presure/pain is less then when Rosie has control with biting.
It is late now, when I think of something else, I will post more tomorrow. |
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Wednesday July 23, 2008 11:47 pm |
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pmjtent
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Thanks for the reply, I felt the same way about the medicine. I told my husbank that I didn't want to drug her up, because what happens later, you can not keep her druged up. I am against it too, I just have never had a bird act the way she is doing. She acts like she hates us, when you hold her she will not look at you, but past you to see where she can fly to. She had her wings clipped when we got her but she can still fly quiet a distance, which puzzles me. She fly's from her cage that's in one living room all the way to the dinning room. I sit by her when she is in her cage and talk to her and sing kids songs to her, she really listens, but if you open her cage she lundges at you and tries to bite you. Today I used an object to get her out of the cage so she could not bite me. I put a lid in one had and held it under her beak and took my other hand and told her to step up, she kept biting the lid but finally stepped up onto my hand. When I got her away from her cage she was fine and let me pet her for a minute then flew off my hand. I put a piece of string cheese up to her today and she attached it with such force biting big chunks out of it and throwing it down. She acts so visious. I hope she gets out of this, the breeder said none of his birds act this way and does not know why she is doing this. |
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Thursday July 24, 2008 12:21 am |
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PeCe
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How's your Rosie doing now. A week can be a big difference for a young parrot like Rosie. I guess that the biting is part of growing up and she is testing you. I have heard more people who at first thought that their eclectus female hated them of only liked one person. But most ekkies after some time came around and became real family pets.
Also she is (as said before, most of the time this behavior occurs at the breeder) territorial and wants to defend her safe have = her cage. This behavior will soon change, most of the time in one or two weeks. Everything strange or new in her cage invades her safe place, so it must be attacked. That way she tries to establish her dominance.
Of course I do not know how vicious she really is, but as far as I read it it sounds normal to me. Many things I have seen with both my female ekkies as well.
I hope you soon can post news that things improve. For the mean time continue what you are doing, things like stepping up with distraction from another object. In time you will see that she starts stepping up without attacking, although they sometimes beak a little, but that often is to keep balance. |
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Wednesday July 30, 2008 8:42 pm |
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pmjtent
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Rosie is doing better, I took all her toys out of her cage and treats. I made her cage not a fun place, only a place to stay until it's time to come out. Her personality changed right away. She stopped biting and now every morning she is at the bottom of her cage waiting for you to take her out to play. I give her a treat for coming out so nice then I put her on her tree so she can play. I was wondering, do you let your eclectus walk around on the ground, because Rosie wants to but I don't want her to think she can climb down her tree when ever she wants to and walk around through the house, she is very nosie. I put her on the counter when I am cleaning or doing dishes and she loves to watch. She is also being nicer to my other bird and trying to play at times. I would recommend doing what I did because it sure made a difference. She doesn't think her cage is her castle anymore so now she wants out and will jump right onto your hand. When she gets better, I will add some toys back to her cage and see how she does. |
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Saturday August 9, 2008 5:57 am |
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PeCe
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Thanks for your update. Good to hear that Rosie's behavior is so much better now. This way you can enjoy her more. You showed her who is the boss and she has accepted that and now likes to step up. Also because she than is allowed to play with her toys.
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I was wondering, do you let your eclectus walk around on the ground
YES, mine are allowed to walk on the ground. My ekkies are flighted and go anywhere they want, they also often wander on the ground. |
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Saturday August 9, 2008 4:46 pm |
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pmjtent
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So if you let them on the ground will they stay on a tree or on there cage when you do not want them on the ground. I don't want her on the ground yet because I have five dogs and they are not used to her yet. My dogs get along with my umbrella but they are used to him. I also have 3 cats that are afraid of my umbrella, but they don't know her yet. My cats were afraid of my afrigan grey, because she would bite them, but I don't know if Rosie will bite them, so in time I will let her on the ground. She wants to fly out of her cage when you open the door, but if you put her back in the cage for 5 min. she will not try to fly off again the rest of the day. |
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Sunday August 10, 2008 5:40 am |
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PeCe
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Besides my birds I do not have other pets. Therefore from the start onwards my ekkies have a free live. They know they are not allowed to go to the plants, but in general they go where they want and in that aspect I can not control them. My ekkies fly around and are impossible to keep in one place. Parrots in general and that sure applies to my ekkies, are very inquisitive and they want to check out things. The same applies for walking on the ground.
Of course you have to watch your dogs and cats, their natural instinct can take the overhand. BUT most ekkies are boss over dogs and cats. Like you describe most dogs and cats are beware of parrots (like with your grey or umbrella). Recently on a dutch board two people (with cats and dogs) did bring their new and young eclectus home. In both cases the young ekkies were within a week in control over the other pets. They could walk to, land on and sit near the dogs/cats. In one situation one of the young ekkies did not land as supposed and hung to the dogs tail. The dog tried to walk a way, but the ekkie did not let loose. The dog only wanted to go away and did not attack the ekkie. |
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