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sammyandsuzie
Egg
Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Posts: 6
Location: toronto |
| I need help ......have 2 senegals |
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i feel like a bad pet owner ..............
when i baught my senegals at the pet store i was told to feed them tropican for parrots..
I never knew they could eat other foods????????
like fruits and vegies even peanut butter?
i guess i have lots to learn and its taken me this long to figure it out .
i have never had and kind of birds in my life .
i just feed them the tropican and regular peanuts .
any info would be great about foods and also caring for them .
I plan on moving to a verry small town and they dont do birds so i also need to learn how to clip their wings ,i cant let them out of the cage and i really want to i love playing with them but i have a dog and f they are flying she gets to excited and then they are free game . when i first got them they couldnt fly and they showed the dog who was the boss and she wont bother them at all except when in flight .
how do u clip their wings and which ones do u clip ?
im off to find some vegies and peanut butter 
thank you on behalf of
sammy&susie (named after my brother and sister ) |
Tuesday June 14, 2005 7:11 pm |
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shirin
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Hi there, welcome to this forum and please DON'T feel like a bad pet owner at all. Some of us have had birds our whole lives and yet we still continue to learn new things every day. Pellets should be the main diet for your birds, as they provide most of their nutritional needs, are easy if you have no time to cook or remove fresh food after 4 hours, and are 100% edible and have no waste as seeds do (although if your birds are anything like mine they probably love throwing food around  ) However not all pellets are made the same and some have poisonous ingredients, please read this topic:
http://www.fluffies.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=218
Pellets that are certified as organic and contain no harmful perservatives are ideal. Also watch out for salt or sugar or artificial colour as a listed ingredient. My birds were also on Hagen's tropican pellets, but i recently switched them to Harrison's, it was recommended by my avian vet. It's not sold anywhere in Toronto, but I found a veterinary clinic in Oakville that sells it.
Please make sure the fruits and vegetables that you feed are also organic, as pesticides do kill birds. And as far as peanutbutter (maybe you already know this  ) regular peanutbutter has a high content of refined sugar and hydrogenated oil, but you can buy all natural peanutbutter with the only ingredient being roasted peanuts from a health food store, or Dominion. Nuts shouls be given only as treats because they are really fattening. Table food also should be given on occasion as a special treat.
Where are you moving to (I'm also from Toronto)? Have you found an avian vet close to your new town? |
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Tuesday June 14, 2005 8:04 pm |
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bird freak
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Joined: 26 May 2005
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No need to feel bad.As i was reading your post i was thinking of my very frist bird.(poor thing) i did not know the frist thing about what a bird needed. I have owned birds for many years now and im always learning more about them and their diet.The important thing is you are now learning and will be able to give them what they need.  |
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Tuesday June 14, 2005 10:45 pm |
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Cheeta
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Like it has been mentioned, don't feel like you're a bad pet owner. We all learn as we go in life!!! To be honest, my first pet bird I had was only on seeds!!!! well you can imagine how bad it would have been for my bird. At least you fed yours all pellets which should be their main diet anyway.
As with feeding them other fresh stuff.. You can pretty much give them what you eat with exception of avacadoes, raw onions, coffee (or anything with caffeine in it), and I'm pretty sure raw lentils as well. The most nutritious of fresh veggies are their sprouts. Most birds would kill for them. so you can give that a try as well.
Nuts are good, especially macadamias (they so very expensive here in Australia - roughly $35AUD per Kilograms!!!!) , But they are very fatty, so like it was said, only in moderation!!
As with wing clipping, I can explain to you how to do it, but you might want to go to someone with avian expertize to show you how it's done. Take you bird either to an avian vet, and a special bird dealer, or someone who knows how to do it PROPERLY... get them to clip the bird wings for you while you watch. Ask question when you're not sure what they are doing. That's the best way I have found to learn to clip wings.
Once you've learn how to clip them, the next time you go and clip your bird, I would advice to do it slowly. Meaning, one feathers on each wing every couple of days. So that the bird doesn't feel too intimidated that all of a sudden it can't fly anymore. so basically it's a gradual process of them loosing the flight ability.
Oh a proper clip should be one that stills allow the bird to glide to the ground safely if for some reason it is startled, and decides to take off. This ensures that the bird won't bruise or hurt themself in the process, which may lead to future problems like plucking.
I hope I made sense. Take care
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Wednesday June 15, 2005 6:24 am |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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| Re: I need help ......have 2 senegals |
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Welcome here!
Can I ask what tropican is?
Please don't feel like a bad pet owner. You're here right? That proves something! You're looking for info!
Please try to find a substitute for peanuts as they can contain some molts..
Here's a photo of my birds' wings:
But I'd seek professional help (avian vet) to have your birdsclipped for the first time.
I wouldn't suggest doing it yourself.. |
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Wednesday June 15, 2005 8:25 am |
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shirin
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Joined: 27 Apr 2005
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Location: Canada, Toronto |
Sue, Tropican is the major brand of Pellets sold in Canada. |
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Wednesday June 15, 2005 10:12 am |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Thanks Shirin! I didn't know that! |
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Wednesday June 15, 2005 4:43 pm |
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sammyandsuzie
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Joined: 14 Jun 2005
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Location: toronto |
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wow thank you all for the great advice ....
funny thing i tried to find my post and couldnt find it to see if there were replies .........silly me luckily fluffies emailed me with the responses ..
sue .. where in oakville did you find the pellets ??
i would be interested in getting them .
wow im so glad i founf fluffies ,i will cut passte to notepad to have this info handy
great picture of wings , yes we are going to scarbrough town centre this weekend to get the clipping and they are going to teach me how to do it and they said i need some stuff incase i hit a vein ? we will see how that goes .
i have found since i havent clipped them and they have wings they do this funny little dance like they are showing their wings , thay are cute ...
since i last read and posted i started feeding them vegies they just love peas and carrots .but bot do they love watermellon. think i might try rice this weekend , just one thing at a time to see if they can tolerate it is that the best way to introduce new foods???
my first time owning any kind of birds and they are wounderful im glad i choose them ,they make me laugh everyday
thank you all so much and so sorry took me so lkong but i couldnt find my post lol
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Friday July 15, 2005 8:42 pm |
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Cathy
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Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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Sounds like you're in good hands now Sammy & Suzie |
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Friday July 15, 2005 11:43 pm |
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Cathy
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PS I would suggest too that you read through the entire "Diet" forum here, there's a wealth of info on there!
AND be SURE to ask the vet LOTS of questions when you take them for their wing clipping |
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Friday July 15, 2005 11:46 pm |
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shirin
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Joined: 27 Apr 2005
Posts: 7401
Location: Canada, Toronto |
quote:
Originally posted by sammyandsuzie
sue .. where in oakville did you find the pellets ??
i would be interested in getting them .
Hey Blossom, that was me that told you about the Pellets in Oakville, Sue lives all the way in the Netherlands They're sold at Burloak Animal Clinic, 3060 Lakeshore Road West, Oakville Ontario. Phone: (905) 827-1171
I'm glad you're enjoying your birds so much |
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Saturday July 16, 2005 2:46 am |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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He he he don't worry about that.. I sometimes have difficulties finding my posts too he he he!
I only found out about the button 'View posts since last visit' much later he he he!
Altogether, the members of this forum know a lot. When I don't know certain things, there are usually members that DO know the answer. Thanks members!
Please let us know how it went in scarbrough town centre, and how the clipping went.. |
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Saturday July 16, 2005 11:14 am |
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Cheeta
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Posts: 7956
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Hey Blossom,
I did the same thing!! I would post and forget where I had posted it. That was also until I found the 'post since last visit' button. So very helpful.
Yes please do let us know how your trip went at the scarbrough town centre.
I'm also glad to hear that your sennies are trying out new veggies and are actually eating them already!! Some birds take a long time to take a liking to fresh food ! You're very lucky!
I agree with you that birds are great and they are absolutely wonderful. They are a real charm. I can't imagine ever living with birds in my life again. |
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Saturday July 16, 2005 5:30 pm |
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sammyandsuzie
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Joined: 14 Jun 2005
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Location: toronto |
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yes shirin .. i realized that it wasnt susam after i posted 
wow thats great , i will get some pellets this weekend coming and the best thing we can visit my hubbys grandfather he lives in oakville he is 87 how lucky to live that long ,my hubby and i were 40 when we got the senigals and they stressed they would live a long time and that i would have to be sure they had a home after i go ........lmao my hubby will probably outlive them hehehe.
funny thing sammy he throws all his food to bottom of cage and when susie see;s me on the toilet she does this dance and picks up nuts and starts throwing them over her head (only when im on the can lol)
so i read a post about spraying them  so i got the water bottle and spray them now once a week .i show suzie the bottle and she runs so funny ,but sammy starts flickering his eyes and he just loves it .
they have been bathing in their water bowls but since i started spraying them they havent done that ...
do u all use bows , or is there a better way to make sure they keep their water clean it seems to me they throw everything in the water bowls and by morning its grose and stinks ?
this winter might be amazing i am going to get a mating box ,but im not confident enough yet so ill just hang tight , i would love to mate them would be a wounderfull thing to wittness ,but im not sure i want an extra 4 senigals in the house lol
i have talked to a few people who would be willing to take one for free but i am scared id give them a bad home its not the same when u pay over 1k verses free ....but im thinking i wont be able to let got they are just cute lol
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Monday July 18, 2005 7:48 am |
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shirin
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Joined: 27 Apr 2005
Posts: 7401
Location: Canada, Toronto |
Hi Blossom, make sure when you go to the clinic to ask either the vet or one of the girls that work there (they're vet students, ot techs) which kind of the pelets they recommend for your bird.
You're thinking about breeding your senegals? Oohhh I want a baby!!!! I'm so jealous of everyone here talking about their senegals, they seem like so much fun  It is amazing to watch babies being hatched, I had doves that I let mate. They layed 2 eggs, and I watched them raise the babies until they grew all their feathers.. it was so cute. |
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Monday July 18, 2005 1:51 pm |
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