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sveta
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I read in "Bird Talk" magazine that Zupreem is a good bird food, is that true? Do any of you feed it to your fids? So far I cannot aford Harrisons ( I pay for all bird stuff with my money), is it a good idea to switch to Zupreem? ( temporreraly ) |
Sunday July 8, 2007 11:31 pm |
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jletaz
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Originally posted by sveta
I read in "Bird Talk" magazine that Zupreem is a good bird food, is that true? Do any of you feed it to your fids? So far I cannot aford Harrisons ( I pay for all bird stuff with my money), is it a good idea to switch to Zupreem? ( temporreraly )
Zupreem is NOT good bird food. It is very commonly used by many people because it is marketed well and sold nearly everywhere. It is an extruded pellet (not a true pellet), and through the extrusion process, the food loses a lot of it's nutrients, and what is left is not all that great. Besides preservatives, the fruity kind is also high in sugars which is not good, although it is very popular. Does Dobby eat any fresh foods? Even though vegetables are a pain in the rear to prepare, he really should have them. Even thawed frozen mixed vegetables are better than none. Fruits are okay, but contain a lot of water and sugar. Veggies are the best, along with a high quality pellet, and a little seed and nuts. Almonds are very healthy and contain some good nutrients. Goldenfeast is a good brand that specializes in bird mixes like the kind you cook, and gourmet seed and veggie mixes. They also have a natural pellet that looks good. Check it out... http://www.goldenfeast.net/goldn'obles.htm  |
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Monday July 9, 2007 2:14 am |
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jletaz
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Regarding my post above, that's not to say that Zupreem temporarily isn't okay... I'm sure it will be fine, as with thousands of pet birds out there, but it's just that it isn't optimal nutrition. Nothing is going to happen to him if he eats it, but make sure he doesn't like it so much that he refuses to eat anything fresh and healthy! |
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Monday July 9, 2007 2:17 am |
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sveta
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So, Zupreem is OK as long as he gets fruits and veggies with it. Are there any feeds that are good to give, but not as expencive as harrisons? ( that are available in pet stores) |
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Monday July 9, 2007 2:30 am |
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shirin
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| Re: Zupreem |
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Originally posted by jletaz
quote:
Originally posted by sveta
I read in "Bird Talk" magazine that Zupreem is a good bird food, is that true? Do any of you feed it to your fids? So far I cannot aford Harrisons ( I pay for all bird stuff with my money), is it a good idea to switch to Zupreem? ( temporreraly )
Zupreem is NOT good bird food. It is very commonly used by many people because it is marketed well and sold nearly everywhere. It is an extruded pellet (not a true pellet), and through the extrusion process, the food loses a lot of it's nutrients, and what is left is not all that great. Besides preservatives, the fruity kind is also high in sugars which is not good, although it is very popular. Does Dobby eat any fresh foods? Even though vegetables are a pain in the rear to prepare, he really should have them. Even thawed frozen mixed vegetables are better than none. Fruits are okay, but contain a lot of water and sugar. Veggies are the best, along with a high quality pellet, and a little seed and nuts. Almonds are very healthy and contain some good nutrients. Goldenfeast is a good brand that specializes in bird mixes like the kind you cook, and gourmet seed and veggie mixes. They also have a natural pellet that looks good. Check it out... http://www.goldenfeast.net/goldn'obles.htm
Julie, thanks for that tid bit of information, I didn't know that. I don't feed zupreem to my parrots, but I did buy the zupreem natural pellets meant for canaries and finches for my doves, just as a supplement. I thought it would add some nutrition to go along with their seed, but as you described it it seems like I'm just wasting my money. |
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Monday July 9, 2007 2:41 am |
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jletaz
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Below is copied from an article on the subject:
Pelleting is a gentler food process as compared to extrusion. Pellets reach a temperature of around 165 degrees when formed and are then cooled. Because extrusion generally requires 100% gelatinization of the starches (the starches melt), the food is generally heated to 250-275 degrees under high pressure 300-600 psig when formed, and then must be cooked for approximately 20 minutes. Because of the extrusion processing, extruded foods generally need to be supplemented an extra 20-30% due to a nutrient loss as compared to only a 10% loss during pelleting. |
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Monday July 9, 2007 2:59 am |
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sveta
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So I guess that I shouldn't feed Zupreem, then what should I feed for now?? |
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Monday July 9, 2007 4:51 pm |
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jletaz
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quote:
Originally posted by sveta
So I guess that I shouldn't feed Zupreem, then what should I feed for now??
As I said above, it is not like it is going to kill your bird or anything, it is just not the BEST. If you also feed Dobby vegetables and grains, he should be okay. |
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Monday July 9, 2007 7:26 pm |
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jletaz
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Do you live near a bird store, or just pet stores? Bird stores usually have Roudybush which is a decent pelleted food. I think the "pet" stores will just have Zupreem and Kaytee and LaFebers which is like Zupreem. As long as he's getting fresh food also, he should be okay. I wouldn't worry too much. I do know that when you can get Harrison's eventually, you will probably notice a very bright color after he has been on it for a while and molts. It gives very vivid saturated colors, which are more or less obvious depending on the original color of the bird. |
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Monday July 9, 2007 7:32 pm |
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sveta
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What is the difference beetween bird sores and pet stores???  |
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Monday July 9, 2007 11:50 pm |
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jletaz
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Originally posted by sveta
What is the difference beetween bird sores and pet stores???
Bird sores???  Just kidding....
In a lot of cities they have bird stores, which are pet stores for birds only... they sell only birds, and bird supplies, food, and toys. Maybe they don't have as many bird stores in Canada? |
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Tuesday July 10, 2007 3:15 am |
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sveta
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ok that helps:D 
P.S. dobby is helping me to type |
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Tuesday July 10, 2007 3:36 am |
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shirin
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quote:
Originally posted by jletaz
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Originally posted by sveta
What is the difference beetween bird sores and pet stores???
Bird sores??? Just kidding....
In a lot of cities they have bird stores, which are pet stores for birds only... they sell only birds, and bird supplies, food, and toys. Maybe they don't have as many bird stores in Canada?
Nope Julie, We hardly have any bird stores here  Well maybe in other cities they might, but not really in Toronto. I've been to one, like an independant one, and it was sooooo awful  It reaked of cigarette smoke, and in the back room he had all these small birds, like canaries and finches and lovebirds, all cooped up in tiny wire cages stacked on top of one another. It was such an awful site, it reminded me of a chicken factory   |
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Tuesday July 10, 2007 2:37 pm |
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jletaz
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Originally posted by shirin
It reaked of cigarette smoke, and in the back room he had all these small birds, like canaries and finches and lovebirds, all cooped up in tiny wire cages stacked on top of one another. It was such an awful site, it reminded me of a chicken factory
Wow you guys up there in Canada really need bird stores! If you come to the US, you really need to visit some. We have some beautiful modern ones here. If that is all you've seen, you won't believe how nice these stores are, clean, with top quality products, and babies for sale out on individual stands, and usually knowledgable staff. |
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Tuesday July 10, 2007 7:33 pm |
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sveta
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WOW  You guys are soooooooooooo lucky. The pet store that I volunteer at is privatly owned,but there are always a lot of birds and at least 5 large parrots . But it is small, so there is a little of everything. |
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