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Fluffy Sue
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| Clicker method: Am I doing something wrong? |
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I have always learned (on the dog training with Nenya) to first let the animal perform something correctly (training with the clicker) then add the cue.
I have been working with Iago & Zazu these days to pick something up, and I give the cue, then click if they do it correctly. I use the click to make a 'photo' of that moment. I also cheer and laugh besides the click.
It works ok, and I've made progress, especially with Iago! He now walks towards and object, picks it up and turns to drop it gently in my hand.. 
But now I start wondering: Can this 'abuse' of the clicker method turn against me in any way? |
Tuesday July 11, 2006 10:27 am |
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Fluffy Sue
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| Re: Clicker method: Am I doing something wrong? |
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By the way, it's a toy for Iago with small shapes with a handle (to grasp) and plastic discs.
You can either use it as bank (for the discs) and as box to throw in the small shapes.
http://www.zoo-max.com/API/thu.....mageType=B |
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Tuesday July 11, 2006 10:31 am |
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Cathy
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That looks like a great training toy Sue!
I've never tried clicker training, but have read quite a bit about it & it sounds to me like you're doing things correctly. |
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Tuesday July 11, 2006 12:35 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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 It is a great toy! I never thought Iago would get it this quickly! He's so fast! I'm amazed! 
I had always learned to first click without a cue, then if they do it the way you want, add a cue.
I add a cue, then click. I don't wait untill they've mastered the trick the way I want it.
Do you think I'm doing harm with this?  |
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Tuesday July 11, 2006 1:39 pm |
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Cathy
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No, personally I wouldn't think you're doing any harm, & like you said, Iago is getting it down.
I had a really good DVD about clicker training, but I let step daughter borrow a long time ago & I haven't seen it since! I'll have to try to get it back from her. |
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Tuesday July 11, 2006 1:47 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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Oh Cathy, I'm looking forward hearing about that DVD. Have you already seen it? |
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Tuesday July 11, 2006 4:32 pm |
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Cathy
Kamikaze pilot
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Yeah, I did, it's one of those Chet Womach things.
And actually, I had bought it from my step daughter for $20, but then she borrowed it right after I watched it & she never gave it back  I'm going to ask her about it tho. |
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Tuesday July 11, 2006 5:21 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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Hehehe that's funny! You bought it from her, then she borrowed it from you hehehe..
I'm curious to hear about it Cathy! |
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Wednesday July 12, 2006 10:02 am |
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Cathy
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I should try to make copies to send to others, shouldn't I? I wonder if I could? Course, I have to get it back from her first!
Hopefully she hasn't turned around & "sold" it to someone else too |
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Wednesday July 12, 2006 11:53 am |
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fruitynutbird
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Sue, I think that the dangers of introducing a cue before the fully-formed behaviour has been perfected are twofold:
1) The parrot hasn't even learnt the behaviour but keeps seeing you pointing the finger up or saying the words, "Big Bird!" or whatever the cue it is that you will be using. You keep saying these words and nothing much happens after that. After a while, your parrot MAY decide that finger pointing up or the sound, "Big Bird!" doesn't REALLY mean anything and ignores it. Everytime your parrot doesn't respond with the desired behaviour to your cue, the power of the cue is weakened.
2) The parrot responds to your cue with a half-baked performance because it hasn't learnt the fully-formed behaviour yet. It learns to associate your cue with the half-baked performance that it knows, so when you give the cue in the future, your parrot always gives you the half-baked performance.
Melinda Johnson suggests that the cue should only be added when the parrot has learnt to do the fully-formed behaviour EXACTLY as you want it - 9 times out of 10, AND when you're VERY CERTAIN that the parrot is going to do it within the next 30 seconds. You start by adding the cue WHILE the parrot is doing the behaviour, for about 20 times. Then you give the cue JUST as your parrot STARTS to do the behaviour, again for about 20 times. Finally, you add the cue JUST BEFORE your parrot starts to do the behaviour (but ONLY when you're SURE that the parrot will be doing the behaviour straight away), as many times as required until you get a consistent response.
Hope this helps!
Andrew |
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Wednesday July 12, 2006 12:24 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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quote:
Originally posted by Cathy
I should try to make copies to send to others, shouldn't I? I wonder if I could? Course, I have to get it back from her first!
Hopefully she hasn't turned around & "sold" it to someone else too
Yeah! I would be volunteering for a copy!
Why sold it? Would she do that? |
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Wednesday July 12, 2006 1:48 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
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Thanks for informing me about the dangers! I had learned to use the clicker the right way (the way you describe it) with my dog..
I don't know why but I started using the clicker for Iago & Zazu in another way.
For what I can say now, Iago is performing perfectly, with the 'abuse' of the clicker from my part..
Perhaps he'll give me half baked performance tomorrow.
I'll switch to the right clicker method.
Thanks for your info! |
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Wednesday July 12, 2006 1:52 pm |
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