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saaaammmmm
Egg
Joined: 10 Dec 2006
Posts: 14
Location: Texas |
i don't like the sounds of the bath tube. i have a few psychological issues of my own and the last thing i would want is my bird suffering from them. |
Monday December 11, 2006 6:27 pm |
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SarahME
Fledgeling
Joined: 30 Sep 2005
Posts: 211
Location: MAINE |
No Way  I would/could never do anything like that. I know someone who says "tapping" their beaks works for them.....that makes me so angry! If you want to be owned by a bird, you need to understand they can bite, they have beaks....  |
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Tuesday December 12, 2006 9:50 pm |
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joti26
Fledgeling
Joined: 07 Aug 2005
Posts: 222
Location: Northants. UK |
From my relatively short experience of being a parront, I have learnt that building trust, patience, respect and understanding are the pre-requisites of parronting, they are so unlike a 'pet'. Pico is especially moody and when he is like this I leave him alone, he is still out and with me but I just don't spend as long handling him. He was horrid a couple of weeks ago and I was worried but them realised he was moulting. His moods come and go and I live with it and accept that this is how he is. He was as soppy as anything for a couple of days then moody tonight. Thats my Pico I guess and I just avoid the potential serious biting at these times. I would probably snap if someone tried to make me do something I don't want to. Persuasion is better than punishment and I treat the kids at school the same way, it takes longer to get a result but it works and builds a more solid relationship of trust for the future. |
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Wednesday December 13, 2006 9:16 pm |
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jletaz
Experienced flier
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
Posts: 1282
Location: CA, USA |
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Originally posted by meg832
Ignoring your baby bird's bites, on the other hand, shows your bird that biting does not impress you and will not change your behavior. Therefore, you remain the boss. Keep up the good work: calm and constant.
Everyone knows not to give the "drama reward" by yelling or losing one's temper when a bird bites...
BUT, on the other hand, we do need to look at the bird with eye contact and tell it a firm NO before putting it away for a while. A bird in the wild will tell the other one to 'knock it off' if it bites harder than is acceptable. You will still remain the boss, but there has to be communication, as birds are highly communicative in their flocks. 
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Sunday May 20, 2007 2:36 am |
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Peanuts
Bappie
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 52
Location: Sweden |
| Re: biting |
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Originally posted by luke1
HI,
If my amazon bites me hard, which is rarely, i just make a high pitch noise to let him know that it hurts and he stops immediately. Its just like they would do as babies, i think sometimes he may nopt know how hard his bite is?!
Luke.
I think that it might be a good way to avoid biting. Iīve read that in nature itīs totally unacceptable for a parrot to have another parrot to bleed from a bite, the entire flock have to stick together to survive. But I think this can vary from bird to bird too; some birds may just find it amusing and in that case it might be better to totally ignore the bite.
The bathtub punishment, well, I donīt think that the birds understand why they are put in the bathtub. I would personally never use it myself (but both my birds love to be in the bathroom  ). |
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Sunday May 20, 2007 4:58 pm |
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jletaz
Experienced flier
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
Posts: 1282
Location: CA, USA |
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Originally posted by Peanuts
quote:
Originally posted by luke1
HI,
If my amazon bites me hard, which is rarely, i just make a high pitch noise to let him know that it hurts and he stops immediately. Its just like they would do as babies, i think sometimes he may nopt know how hard his bite is?!
Luke.
I think that it might be a good way to avoid biting. Iīve read that in nature itīs totally unacceptable for a parrot to have another parrot to bleed from a bite, the entire flock have to stick together to survive. But I think this can vary from bird to bird too; some birds may just find it amusing and in that case it might be better to totally ignore the bite.
The bathtub punishment, well, I donīt think that the birds understand why they are put in the bathtub. I would personally never use it myself (but both my birds love to be in the bathroom ).
I don't agree with totally ignoring the bite. I don't believe in doing the drama reward either, but that is one of the behaviors I believe the word "no" applies to. Otherwise, they have no guidance and don't know what is expected from you. It is not amusing to the bird if you say it firmly with eye contact, but not emotionally.
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Monday May 21, 2007 5:43 am |
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joti26
Fledgeling
Joined: 07 Aug 2005
Posts: 222
Location: Northants. UK |
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More wise words Julie. I wasn't sure how to tackle this one but have learnt what works for me. Ziggy started biting after his vet trauma and I said 'no' firmly and put him back on his cage for a while. He stopped for a while then started again a short while ago, nothing savage but biting too hard when I went to give him a scritch, even when solicited by him. Having done a bit more research I suddenly understood why, it was forming a pattern and I was not understanding him properly. I had spoilt him a bit while Peanut was at the vet for a week and when she came back Ziggy was jealous so he started the biting. This then became a habit until I stopped trying to approach him, I limited the scritches to bed time and left him alone the rest of the time. He is nearly 1 now and I had not understood that he is no longer a baby and simply does not want that attention all the time anymore. It has been 2 weeks now since I realised what I was doing and he is fine now. He has stopped biting when he wants a scritch and I just leave him alone when he doesn't solicit for one. He actually asks for more now again and we have long cuddles at bed time but no bites. Rather than not giving him as much cuddle attention we play more games instead that way we still have time together but in a different way. Peanut nips when she needs a poop by the way! Again I anticipate this now to prevent that becoming a habit. |
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Monday May 21, 2007 5:27 pm |
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meg832
Fledgeling
Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Posts: 365
Location: Ohio |
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quote:
Originally posted by meg832
Ignoring your baby bird's bites, on the other hand, shows your bird that biting does not impress you and will not change your behavior. Therefore, you remain the boss. Keep up the good work: calm and constant.
quote:
BUT, on the other hand, we do need to look at the bird with eye contact and tell it a firm NO before putting it away for a while. A bird in the wild will tell the other one to 'knock it off' if it bites harder than is acceptable. You will still remain the boss, but there has to be communication, as birds are highly communicative in their flocks.
I agree, Julie. And I'm surprised I didn't mention that when my little brat was biting, I would calmly stop her by taking hold of her beak and saying, "No beak" in a calm, serious, and instructive voice. This was not always possible because of the size of a parrotlet's beak and how quickly those little guys move. However, the technique worked. She is quite the lady now. I have had only one nip from her, and that happened when she was excitedly grabbing for the treat I was giving to her. |
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Monday May 21, 2007 7:22 pm |
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jletaz
Experienced flier
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
Posts: 1282
Location: CA, USA |
quote:
Originally posted by meg832
I would calmly stop her by taking hold of her beak and saying, "No beak" in a calm, serious, and instructive voice. This was not always possible because of the size of a parrotlet's beak and how quickly those little guys move. However, the technique worked. She is quite the lady now. I have had only one nip from her, and that happened when she was excitedly grabbing for the treat I was giving to her.
Parrotlets sure are adorable, but it always amazes me how those little guys have such a strong personality in such a tiny body!!
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Tuesday May 22, 2007 6:37 am |
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Julie White
Flier
Joined: 17 Nov 2005
Posts: 411
Location: Staines, England |
I guess this womens birds must all be wing clipped otherwise they would just fly out, I think her methods are cruel and could cause injury if it makes the birds panic. The only methods I use are to push gently against the bird, or if the bird is on my hand to gently shake the hand the bird is on and these methods work well. The objective is just to make the bird let go and if you pull away the bird will only bite harder, the objective is not to punish. Maybe this woman doesn't respect the space she needs to give to her birds i.e. when they want to eat or sleep and she thinks that they should always be ready to be handled when she wants them to be. |
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Tuesday September 18, 2007 8:58 am |
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sqwarky
Flutterer
Joined: 13 Jul 2007
Posts: 159
Location: UK, Brighton |
i cant belive someone would do that to the poor birdys  it would never evan enter my head to do somthing like that. grrrrrrrr lol |
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Wednesday September 19, 2007 4:37 pm |
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eaglevision
Fledgeling
Joined: 25 Jan 2008
Posts: 240
Location: In Fluffies |
That is HORRIBLE!!!
5 long minutes in a bathtub?
If my bird bit' me (wich she NEVER did, he was 1 month old when we got him), I would just leave the room like another post said. My bird does NOT like his cage at all. So its like a punishment to leave him there, now he has gotten used to his cage and likes it. Wich is better for me! (I don't have to pick up her bombs).
That is just plain cruel!!! |
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Tuesday February 5, 2008 8:12 pm |
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iParrot
Egg
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
Posts: 3
Location: In my parrots cage |
My parrot would get so mad if I did that...  |
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Tuesday April 8, 2008 12:26 am |
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Rinske
Just hatched
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Posts: 31
Location: Stellenbosch, South Africa |
Hehe, Piccollo would certainly let himself be heard if left in a tub - specially with the extra volume obtained in a bathroom! 
Was wondering, though, if any of you could recommend something I can do to help Pic understand that it's not really safe to fly off the table and walk around on the floor..? He used to be so happy playing with his things on the table (which is a large one), but now he figured out that there's more space on the floor. I don't want him to play there, because if I don't see him I might step on him - don't really trust myself lol
I now pick him up immediately when he flies down, but he doesn't seem to get the idea, just flies right off again. Blahhh..  Ugh but he's so qute...  |
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