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Luella_Cantu
Bappie
Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 77
Location: Texas |
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Hi everyone, I work with a woman who has a couple of birds- I don't remember what kind, but they are parrots. Anyway, I was telling her that Chiquita bit me pretty good the other day, and left a mark/scratch (but didn't draw blood). She asked me how I responded when she bites me, which is that I just ignore it, I don't make any noise or pull away or anything, and her biting is getting less and less often and hard. Anyway, she freaked out and told me that I need to punish her for biting, the same way she punishes her bigger birds. Which is, as soon as they do something she doesn't like, she tells them "NO! Time out!" and she takes them and puts them in the BATHTUB alone (not with water) and leaves them in there for about 5 minutes, and since the bathtub is rounded they can't get out, they just scratch around and freak out until she comes and gets them out. This seems so cruel to me! I couldn't imagine doing this to Chiquita. I just nodded my head and smiled, and told her I would try it next time-which I won't! Just wanted to see that y'all think! Thanks!
Luella and Chiquita |
Friday July 28, 2006 9:17 pm |
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Cathy
Kamikaze pilot
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
Posts: 6671
Location: Omaha, NE USA |
Sounds like a cruel way to handle things to me 
Has she said what the results of such
punishment
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Friday July 28, 2006 9:21 pm |
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Luella_Cantu
Bappie
Joined: 25 Jun 2006
Posts: 77
Location: Texas |
Cathy LOL no she hasn't said... but I assume it works for her... sadly enough.... because she's recommending it! |
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Friday July 28, 2006 9:32 pm |
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Fluffy Sue
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Posts: 10061
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Sounds kind of mean to me. Especially when they freak out.
If they're comfy there, I'd think it isn't bad? |
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Friday July 28, 2006 10:06 pm |
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Yupra
Flying tumbler
Joined: 05 Feb 2006
Posts: 2206
Location: CA |
Omigosh, I feel sorry for those poor birds!  |
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Saturday July 29, 2006 6:53 pm |
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chispleeze
Flier
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 475
Location: Upstate NY |
The only thing I can see that accomplishing would be to make the women "feel" she is in some kind of control when she obviously is not. All she's doing is making those poor birds fearful and insecure.
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Saturday July 29, 2006 7:45 pm |
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SilverCry
Just hatched
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 28
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I don't think that birds really understand delayed punishment. It will only work if it can be directly related to the activity, like turning your back when the bird is screaming and interacting with it again when it stops. For biting, I supose you could spray it with water when it bites and stop when it lets go, but most birds like water, so that might not work. It's like clicker training in reverse and without the clicker. It works on dogs, why not birds?
For example, my friend keeps erected a system where if her cats wander past a certain point in her yard, the sprinkers in front of them will turn on. It's worked pretty well so far.
The punishment this lady is trying would work on small children, but only once they've gotten old enough to understand that they are being punished and what they are being punished for. Birds will never have that level of maturity, so maybe she just doesn't understand that. |
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Sunday July 30, 2006 6:56 pm |
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meg832
Fledgeling
Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Posts: 365
Location: Ohio |
I agree, that punishment sounds horrible. From what I've read, the bathtub lady is temporarily changing the birds' behavior, but she is destroying the trust that would keep her birds well-behaved and bonded to her. She will certainly have behavior problems (anything from agression to self-mutilation) with these unlucky birds later. Ignoring your baby bird's bites, on the other hand, shows your bird that biting does not impress you and will not change your behavior. Therefore, you remain the boss. Keep up the good work: calm and constant. |
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Monday July 31, 2006 1:52 am |
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cheekie_birdy
Experienced flier
Joined: 08 Jul 2006
Posts: 1719
Location: Canada |
the bird wouldn't associate that with biting. that is a bad punishment. I would never do that to my birdies!!!!!
When my birds bite, I say "no bites! thats not nice". It seems to work. I've tried ignoring it when fig (budgie) bites, and she just keeps on biting  |
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Wednesday August 30, 2006 7:49 pm |
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Bandit
Flutterer
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 130
Location: In a Dance Studio |
That sounds so horrible!  Poor birdies. I would never treat Bandit that way! Thatis just inhumane and mean. And it doesn't seem like it will do anything but terrify the bird. |
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Wednesday August 30, 2006 10:35 pm |
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Kellyanne
Flier
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 659
Location: Ottawa, Canada |
I have heard of people using this technique before but I would NEVER use it myself. |
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Thursday August 31, 2006 8:30 pm |
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shells picasso
Flier
Joined: 29 May 2005
Posts: 900
Location: Sydney |
I don't see how it would work other than making the bird scared of her and the bath.
All the behavoiral stuff seems to be about prevention and distraction, punishment doesn't really work. I don't think it really even works well with humans. |
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Friday September 1, 2006 6:19 am |
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joti26
Fledgeling
Joined: 07 Aug 2005
Posts: 222
Location: Northants. UK |
How awful. Pico bit me and drew blood for the first time in the year I have had him. I just turned and walked out the room, similarly if he is in a mood I just put him on his cage and leave the room for a few minutes. My thoughts are that one needs to get to the bottom of the biting and understand why. Like a child who is naughty, it is usually the parents fault witttingly or unwittingly! |
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Wednesday September 20, 2006 9:50 pm |
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luke1
Fledgeling
Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 313
Location: UK |
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HI,
If my amazon bites me hard, which is rarely, i just make a high pitch noise to let him know that it hurts and he stops immediately. Its just like they would do as babies, i think sometimes he may nopt know how hard his bite is?!
Luke. |
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Thursday November 9, 2006 7:20 am |
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Jrmno1
Flying tumbler
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Posts: 2310
Location: Ohio, USA |
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Originally posted by luke1
HI,
If my amazon bites me hard, which is rarely, i just make a high pitch noise to let him know that it hurts and he stops immediately. Its just like they would do as babies, i think sometimes he may nopt know how hard his bite is?!
Luke.
How old is your Zon and what kind?
This is only my opition, I am not an expert by any means, we here are all learning from each other.
Bitting is a learned behivor, that we teach them through a process of rewarding them. They bite you, you react, so now they know how to get your attition when ever they need to.
Your method is not the best as it rewards them with a reaction from you. They get your attition. Zons are very emitional birds they do not bite unless there is a reason. I have personaly found if you talk in sweet low tones, that they settle down quicker. This works on most birds that I have taken in. I foster birds for a rescue and seen alot of birds that know how to bite  . I feel that you are shocking them with your high pitch tones, thus changing there point of interest. But that shock will not last. Soon you will be making your high pitch tone while the blood is flying...
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